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Old 07-04-2007, 02:41 AM   #16
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Barney Ross has no place among greatest 35? Ok.
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Old 07-04-2007, 02:43 AM   #17
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Barney Ross has no place among greatest 35? Ok.
No he does not, I have him in the 40s
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Old 07-04-2007, 03:46 AM   #18
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Like you said Greatness is too cheap, even 35 means there was a great every three/three and a half years (which is still probably too much).

Anyway my 35 are...


35 Roy Jones
34 George Foreman
33 Joe Gans
32 Ruben Olivares
31 Thomas Hearns
30 Marvin Hagler
29 Joe Louis
28 Gene Tunney
27 George Dixon
26 Eder Jofre
25 Carlos Zarate
24 Alexis Arguello
23 Pernell Whitaker
22 Oscar de la Hoya
21 Pancho Villa
20 Bob Fitzsimmons
19 Stanley Ketchel
18 Harry Grebb
17 Ezzard Charles
16 Benny Leonard
15 Julio Cesar Chavez
14 Mickey Walker
13 Ray Leonard
12 Carlos Monzon
11 Muhammad Ali
10 Charley Burley

9 Sammy Langford
8 Archie Moore
7 Jimmy Wilde
6 Willie Pep
5 Sandy Sadler
4 Georges Carpentier
3 Roberto Duran
2 Henry Armstrong
1 Ray Robinson
Interesting list.
I'm surprised you have De La Hoya higher than Whitaker and Jones Jnr who I think were both much better fighters.Also Burley's very high for a guy who never won a title,and if you have him so high you could make a case for Holman Williams,Lloyd Marshall or Jimmy Bivins who have wins over him and comparable records.
No place for Jose Napoles,Wilfredo Gomez,Lennox Lewis,Michael Spinks,Floyd Mayweather,Bernard Hopkins etc,etc...sorry I don't mean to nitpick but I do think there has been a lot of great fighters and splitting them is very hard to do.
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Old 07-04-2007, 02:25 PM   #19
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Interesting list.
I'm surprised you have De La Hoya higher than Whitaker and Jones Jnr who I think were both much better fighters.Also Burley's very high for a guy who never won a title,and if you have him so high you could make a case for Holman Williams,Lloyd Marshall or Jimmy Bivins who have wins over him and comparable records.
No place for Jose Napoles,Wilfredo Gomez,Lennox Lewis,Michael Spinks,Floyd Mayweather,Bernard Hopkins etc,etc...sorry I don't mean to nitpick but I do think there has been a lot of great fighters and splitting them is very hard to do.
Great is something special, you cannot IMO have too many great fighters, or it dilutes the qualification. So although you may not agree with my 35 (fair enough) I still think you should only have between 30 or 40 fighters yourself that IYO qualify as great, by setting yourself such a task, it makes you think and think hard, who does and does not deserve the honour.
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Old 07-04-2007, 03:18 PM   #20
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very true and Oscar De La Hoya should be removed from any top 50 immediately.

No man that was never really the best in his division for any length of time and more importantly failed to produce a single definitive performance against a top-flight opponent should ever be considered a true great.

Oscar was a near\borderline great and one of the better fighters of his era.Definitely NOT an all-timer.
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Old 07-04-2007, 06:12 PM   #21
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very true and Oscar De La Hoya should be removed from any top 50 immediately.

No man that was never really the best in his division for any length of time and more importantly failed to produce a single definitive performance against a top-flight opponent should ever be considered a true great.

Oscar was a near\borderline great and one of the better fighters of his era.Definitely NOT an all-timer.
Well each to their own (I have de la Hoya as the finest fighter of the 90s), just limit your greats, whoever they are to managable amounts, that way you do not taint the meaning of the word.
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Old 10-16-2012, 04:04 PM   #22
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Probably outside of the top 100 of all-time.He beat a lethargic Berbick, kayoed DeLeon, and defended the cruiser belt.But he also lost to Cooney, so not that high.
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Old 10-16-2012, 10:15 PM   #23
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Like you said Greatness is too cheap, even 35 means there was a great every three/three and a half years (which is still probably too much).

Anyway my 35 are...


35 Roy Jones
34 George Foreman
33 Joe Gans
32 Ruben Olivares
31 Thomas Hearns
30 Marvin Hagler
29 Joe Louis
28 Gene Tunney
27 George Dixon
26 Eder Jofre
25 Carlos Zarate
24 Alexis Arguello
23 Pernell Whitaker
22 Oscar de la Hoya
21 Pancho Villa
20 Bob Fitzsimmons
19 Stanley Ketchel
18 Harry Grebb
17 Ezzard Charles
16 Benny Leonard
15 Julio Cesar Chavez
14 Mickey Walker
13 Ray Leonard
12 Carlos Monzon
11 Muhammad Ali
10 Charley Burley

9 Sammy Langford
8 Archie Moore
7 Jimmy Wilde
6 Willie Pep
5 Sandy Sadler
4 Georges Carpentier
3 Roberto Duran
2 Henry Armstrong
1 Ray Robinson
u have Carp and Mickey Walker over Greb
So much for you knowledge of the game!
If you gave one eyed Harry Greb the Archie Moore that ate lots o leather from Teddy Yarosz, Archie woudda been very cooked.
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Old 10-16-2012, 10:24 PM   #24
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The beating he gave Carlos DeLeon was quite brutal. Also one of the few not to rob Jesse Burnett blind. Had a solid career for a boxer who claimed no amateur career.
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Old 10-17-2012, 01:20 AM   #25
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I heard his fight with Berbick stunk like a mother****er
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Old 10-17-2012, 01:23 AM   #26
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Booze you have Carpentier in your top five?! WTF?!?!
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Old 10-17-2012, 02:35 AM   #27
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I heard his fight with Berbick stunk like a mother****er

It sure did. The thing withr boxing and promoters/managers is they seek out these guys who win dreary bouts as a safe opponent for their guy. So instead of blackballing or destryoing a career, it actually provides an opportunity.

I have zero doubts Pinklon Thomas watched this and made the match based on how horrible Berbick looked. He'd fired Dundee and was managing himself and everyone liked Pinklon at the time. Then, Trevor signs for the fight and goes out and signs Futch to train him and get him ready for the Thomas bout. And as often happens with heavies, showing up with their B game looking for an easy night's work tends to make for lots of upsets.

Then again, why would anyone be apprehensive about putting their guy in with Trevor after watching that Gordon fight? The B game should be enough to get the win.
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Like you said Greatness is too cheap, even 35 means there was a great every three/three and a half years (which is still probably too much).

Anyway my 35 are...


35 Roy Jones
34 George Foreman
33 Joe Gans
32 Ruben Olivares
31 Thomas Hearns
30 Marvin Hagler
29 Joe Louis
28 Gene Tunney
27 George Dixon
26 Eder Jofre
25 Carlos Zarate
24 Alexis Arguello
23 Pernell Whitaker
22 Oscar de la Hoya
21 Pancho Villa
20 Bob Fitzsimmons
19 Stanley Ketchel
18 Harry Grebb
17 Ezzard Charles
16 Benny Leonard
15 Julio Cesar Chavez
14 Mickey Walker
13 Ray Leonard
12 Carlos Monzon
11 Muhammad Ali
10 Charley Burley
9 Sammy Langford
8 Archie Moore
7 Jimmy Wilde
6 Willie Pep
5 Sandy Sadler
4 Georges Carpentier
3 Roberto Duran
2 Henry Armstrong
1 Ray Robinson

Interesting list.
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Old 09-08-2013, 11:06 AM   #29
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Interesting list.
Wow, that is going back a bit!
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Old 09-08-2013, 11:10 AM   #30
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Wow, that is going back a bit!
Yeah, it's one of ThinBlack's mega bumps.
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