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Old 08-24-2012, 06:07 AM   #61
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I thouhgt ammatuers got just enough to live off while training. 40k seems way too much. Especially with all the other sports that need fundng.

Kevin Mitchell worked on tht tube but that was only when he was injured and out for a while.

British level isnt that big som most will have to work but it dpends who you are.

Degale for instance would never have had to becasue he was a big name from the start.

Groves would have but he wont be now. Hell be making enough from each fight. He has a nice apartment and a decent car so he seems to be doing ok.

The problem is in this country, not enough fights and too little audineces, with all the costs involved its a very hard career unless you make it to at least british level and also become a bit of a name. Like any sport really.
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Old 08-24-2012, 06:49 AM   #62
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lol stop making up figures you dont know, one of Khan's mates Saj cussed brook on twitter saying he only made 150k for his fight with hatton, I'm guessing he was undercutting the figure to highlight that brook don't deserve to fight Khan.
I think 250-300k would be a more accurate figure. but no way 60-70 grand a fight, he sells out the motorpoint arena your talking about 550-600k average live gate alone. theres fighters out their that do no way near those numbers at the gate but still get paid high i.e their was a recent purse bid of $405k for Erislandy lara to face Vanes in an eliminator fight, and it will be placed on an undercard because it's not worthy of a main event on another day.

I agree boxers at the lower level get peanuts but if your name is Brook and your one of the few fighters that headline SkySports on a Saturday like Froch you will get deep 6 six figures and if wins that IBF belt he would be getting near 7 figures a defense, esp if their is interest from american networks on top.
Yet you are making up figures!

Fighters on US TV would get more because more people watch/subscribe thus more money per bout.

Brook hasn't sold out the Motorpoint really. He needed the Hatton name and a strong undercard as well as massive promotion from Hearn and SKY.

Ticket sales dropped for Jones. Its not like he fights anyone and its automatically sold out is it?!? My guess, and thats all it is mind, is around 70k.
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Old 08-24-2012, 06:59 AM   #63
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Yet you are making up figures!

Fighters on US TV would get more because more people watch/subscribe thus more money per bout.

Brook hasn't sold out the Motorpoint really. He needed the Hatton name and a strong undercard as well as massive promotion from Hearn and SKY.

Ticket sales dropped for Jones. Its not like he fights anyone and its automatically sold out is it?!? My guess, and thats all it is mind, is around 70k.
exaclty mate does he really think they are going to give brook a huge purse like 150k when they have a good 12 fighters on the undercard people like purdy will be on a good 8-10 grand and then you have mcs, secuirty, doctors, ambulance, timekeepers, board officials then you give away alot of free tickets to celebs and big name fighters and the family of the fighters loved ones mums dads etc get free tickets eddie will be taking his cut and it will be a big cut you really think eddie does this for free? his dad will get his cut there is alot alot alot of overheads for running a show and add to the fact the motorpoint areana dont come cheap yet brooks going to get 150k yeah...i know the figures these guy get and i know how much it costs to put on a show its not cheap!
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Old 08-24-2012, 10:10 AM   #64
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It just shows that fighters are probably getting less now than their counterparts from 40 odd years ago. My old fella got 18,000 for his biggest purse in 1966. I just checked out the value of that in todays money based on average income and it comes out at 530,000. Not bad for a bantamweight in a British and Empire title fight.
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I know a couple of young lads who've turned pro in the last 12 months. One has been suffering hand injuries and is currently 1-0, the other is doing well and is now 3-0. The one who is 3-0, is making about 2-2.5 grand per fight, that's gross before paying expenses. He works part time in construction.

The reality of the pro game is that there isn't much money in it below world level, boxing doesn't have the backing of football. It's a tough way to make a living, factor in the eventuality of hand injuries, and the risks of head and brain injuries, and unless someone is exceptionally gifted, I wouldn't recommend it at all. It truly is a tough way to make a living, and I've got a lot of respect for those who take the risks.
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It just shows that fighters are probably getting less now than their counterparts from 40 odd years ago. My old fella got 18,000 for his biggest purse in 1966. I just checked out the value of that in todays money based on average income and it comes out at 530,000. Not bad for a bantamweight in a British and Empire title fight.
Interesting that one Al so your dads biggest purse was in a British/Commonwealth fight as opposed to any of his title challenges?
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Old 08-24-2012, 05:22 PM   #67
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It just shows that fighters are probably getting less now than their counterparts from 40 odd years ago. My old fella got 18,000 for his biggest purse in 1966. I just checked out the value of that in todays money based on average income and it comes out at 530,000. Not bad for a bantamweight in a British and Empire title fight.
Wow interesting bit of info al great purse for that era at British title fight every penny well earned though back in those days.
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Interesting that one Al so your dads biggest purse was in a British/Commonwealth fight as opposed to any of his title challenges?
Yes, it was a big fight though as McGowan was world flyweight champ at the time. The biggest purse he got in a world title fight was 14 grand plus tv money against Olivares in 69.
Going by average earnings that is 342,000 in todays money plus tv money.
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Yes, it was a big fight though as McGowan was world flyweight champ at the time. The biggest purse he got in a world title fight was 14 grand plus tv money against Olivares in 69.
Going by average earnings that is 342,000 in todays money plus tv money.
I suspected it was the McGowan fight. Big domestic blockbuster at the time and the build up towards it I suppose meant it had some real momentum. Amazing the disparity though considering some of the purses today.
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David Haye was a part time salesman apparently.
Thats his current employment.
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i heard that former world champion maurice hope was selling programmes at wembley not long after his world championship reign
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lets say a fighter is 4-0 a good fighter but not a huge name but well known on average show undercard and building your name you get around 1.1 grand 25% goes to manager, your taxed and 10% to trainer, 50 pounds is also paid to someone to wrap your hands as this is specialist job usually at pro shows theres one or two guys running around wrapping everyones hands. So you get 1.1 grand minus all your reductions your walking with maybe 800 pounds or so. as a prospect your trying to build your name and need to sell a good 80-100 tickets each time you fight at 30 pounds a pop so you can only really fight 4 maybe 5 times a year max although more realisticly your out 3 times a year...do you really think you can live of 5 grand a year!? you also get around 10% of tickets sales so someone like evalgou who aint all that great but can sell a ticket is making good money purely because he sells 800 odd tikcets so eddie pays him well!

then lets say you progress to 9-0 you get a southern area title shot which is around 2.5 grand although again it depends on how many tickets you sale and what you did as an amatuer but im talking an average fighter will only get 2.5-4 grand for a southern area title shot progress to british title 10-16 grand...again it jus depends how marketable you are and how many tickets you sale. I know some fighters who won abas and where big names turned over with ****** and they got 10 grand per fight but thats not the common. on the other hand i know a very recent british titlist who only got 3 grand for defending his title! so it really depends but 90% of pros work on top of their boxing.

Managers and promoters wont sign you unless you can sell a tikcet unless your willing to go on the road and act as journeyman which is the only real way to make a living out of the sport but who the **** wants to be known as a profesional loser?!

the game really does need a shake up someone like spencer fearon is great for the sport becuase hes not worried about ticket sales and he gives his fighters oppurtunitys and fights without having them worry about selling tickets! this means the fighter can knuckle down and focus on his training instead of constant facebook and twitter updates and askign everyone under the sun whether they wanna spend 30 pounds hard earned money to see them bash up a journeyman...

any long story short theres **** all money in pro boxing and even less being a trainer who only gets 10% of a 1.1 grand purse whch is around 100 pounds so your giving up your time to come and train a fighter to get 100 pounds most of these guys do it for first and foremost the love of the sport and secondly because there waiting for that chance to get that million to one shot at a title and maybe make some money out of it.

You also pay about a grand yearly to get your medical bills all paid brain scan eye test etc. i know a pro whos actaully lost money out of turning pro and hes 3-0 and a great prospect. the way the business works put alot of people off it but thats the way it is promoters dont really promote they just get prospects to sell tickets you didnt all this shit about undefeated records back in the 50's and 60's a fight was just that a fight now you got to any card you choose and its full of 80-20 fights which are neither good to watch, interesting or good for the sport.

Also with regards to amatuers at the top level olympians there on 32 grand a year plus they are in sheffeild monday to thursday weekly were all there meals, living space bills etc are paid for then they go home and train with there club coaches friday to sunday at the top teir you get 32 grand and theres 4 tiers of funding the bottom level are the commonwealth types who train in sheffeild once every 2 weeks and are on 8 grand a year.

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I know a couple of young lads who've turned pro in the last 12 months. One has been suffering hand injuries and is currently 1-0, the other is doing well and is now 3-0. The one who is 3-0, is making about 2-2.5 grand per fight, that's gross before paying expenses. He works part time in construction.

The reality of the pro game is that there isn't much money in it below world level, boxing doesn't have the backing of football. It's a tough way to make a living, factor in the eventuality of hand injuries, and the risks of head and brain injuries, and unless someone is exceptionally gifted, I wouldn't recommend it at all. It truly is a tough way to make a living, and I've got a lot of respect for those who take the risks.
Shut up about football, you cannot compare a team sport where the team is the asset first. In boxing, boxers are individual assets and they have to build that asset/business. Through winning and clever promotional success within the sport of boxing.

Boxing has always always been this way, unless you are part of the elite..? You will not be making millions.

It's always been this way throughout history.

It's got nothing to do with backing, it's just how the sport is. I don't think fighters who turn pro, should be on millions to start with anyway.

Anybody can turn pro, i can turn pro in afew months...........big deal! So what!
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Shut up about football, you cannot compare a team sport where the team is the asset first. In boxing, boxers are individual assets and they have to build that asset/business. Through winning and clever promotional success within the sport of boxing.

Boxing has always always been this way, unless you are part of the elite..? You will not be making millions.

It's always been this way throughout history.

It's got nothing to do with backing, it's just how the sport is. I don't think fighters who turn pro, should be on millions to start with anyway.

Anybody can turn pro, i can turn pro in afew months...........big deal! So what!

if you turned pro ,youd proberly be an audley harrison type career ...
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