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Old 09-07-2012, 06:28 PM   #1
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Default Most inteligent heavyweight champions

Top 6, because beyond that it will turn into a dogs breakfast.

Lineals only.

My list is:

1. Wladamir Klitschko
2. Jack Johnson
3. Max Schmeling
4. Jim Corbett
5. Gene Tunney
6. Larry Holmes
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Old 09-07-2012, 06:38 PM   #2
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janitor,,,,,,,,,

May I help correct an error on your part,,,,,,,,,you spelled 'intelligent' incorrectly.

Are you talking about 'brain power' or 'ring intelligence'.

Brain Power = Gene Tunney
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Old 09-07-2012, 06:43 PM   #3
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janitor,,,,,,,,,

May I help correct an error on your part,,,,,,,,,you spelled 'intelligent' incorrectly.
Make of that what you will!

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Are you talking about 'brain power' or 'ring intelligence'.

Brain Power = Gene Tunney
Inteligence outside the ring.

Lets say that boxing has never existed.
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Old 09-07-2012, 07:06 PM   #4
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Top 6, because beyond that it will turn into a dogs breakfast.

Lineals only.

My list is:

1. Wladamir Klitschko
2. Jack Johnson
3. Max Schmeling
4. Jim Corbett
5. Gene Tunney
6. Larry Holmes

This is very hard to determine.
Based on impressions, I agree with Tunney and Schmeling. Both became successful businessmen.

I would add Dempsey. He owned and ran a very successful NY restaurant for 30 years. That's not an easy business to make it in.

Foreman has made a fortune with his grill. A stupid man could not have done that. He would have let himself be taken by the people around him.


Ali is the only one we have documentation on regarding his intelligence.

He scored as borderline retarded on his Selective Service intelligence tests.
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Old 09-07-2012, 07:10 PM   #5
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Ali is the only one we have documentation on regarding his intelligence.

He scored as borderline retarded on his Selective Service intelligence tests.
My take would be that he was not stupid, but flunked the test due to atention deficit disorder.
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Old 09-07-2012, 07:27 PM   #6
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Intelligence is too wide an area to measure, someone can have great numeracy ability but poor language ability, not to mention street smarts.

Ali was certainly an intelligent individual if I had to pinpoint one though. Lennox and Vitali seem pretty smart, Vitali more so than his brother imo.

I'd like to see reasons for your picks Janitor
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Old 09-07-2012, 07:43 PM   #7
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What makes you think that Wlad was the most intelligent heavyweight champion?
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Old 09-07-2012, 07:54 PM   #8
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What makes you think that Wlad was the most intelligent heavyweight champion?
He is smart with money, though his success in the ring (his recent domination) is thanks to a great trainer.
If Steward had been his trainer from the beginning he would have been rated much higher (and 2 ugly losses would probably never have happened)

A trainer makes the fighter (if he's good), Wlad his domination is also thanks to his trainer and trainers should get more respect for their job.
They're not appreciated enough.
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Maybe "who was the most intellectual champion"...
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Old 09-07-2012, 08:11 PM   #11
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Maybe "who was the most intellectual champion"...
I think this is a better way of wording it. But then I guess it comes down to what you define as intelligent? I mean, Foreman made tons of money but one could argue that makes him business savvy, not necessarily intelligent. Moreover, then you get into the debates about the different types of intelligence, etc... In recent time I think both of the Klitschkos should be up there, as well as Lennox Lewis.
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Old 09-07-2012, 08:31 PM   #12
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The ones who demonstrated known intellect were

Corbett
Johnson
Tunney
Schmeling
Charles
Foreman
Holmes
Lewis
Vitali
Wlad

Many others may have been quite bright as well ..
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I think this is a better way of wording it. But then I guess it comes down to what you define as intelligent? I mean, Foreman made tons of money but one could argue that makes him business savvy, not necessarily intelligent. Moreover, then you get into the debates about the different types of intelligence, etc... In recent time I think both of the Klitschkos should be up there, as well as Lennox Lewis.

I've always thought of Lewis as an intelligent guy.
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Old 09-07-2012, 08:55 PM   #14
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I've always thought of Lewis as an intelligent guy.
I did too until I heard his commentary on HBO
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The ones who demonstrated known intellect were

Corbett
Johnson
Tunney
Schmeling
Charles
Foreman
Holmes
Lewis
Vitali
Wlad

Many others may have been quite bright as well ..

I saw a fairly recent interview with Larry Holmes and he was barely intelligible. He sounded like an idiot. Shavers sounds even worse.

They may have the onset of dementia, which I certainly hope is not the case.
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