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Old 09-11-2012, 12:25 PM   #1
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Default Chavez against Whitaker's foe's.. how does he do..

He has to fight


1. Nelson
2. McGirt
3. Trinidad


Whitaker has to fight Chavez foes...

1. Camacho
2. Taylor
3. Randall.

Assume they are all prime for prime or close to prime matchups. Chavez was older when he moved up to Welterweight... so assume he moved up earlier and was more prime.
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Old 09-11-2012, 12:37 PM   #2
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He has to fight

1. Nelson-Chavez TKO 14
2. McGirt-Chavez UD (McGirt gives him hell for the first 8 before Chavez walks him down)
3. Trinidad-Trinidad TKO 11 (corner stoppage)


Whitaker has to fight Chavez foes...

1. Camacho (Whitaker UD)
2. Taylor (Whitaker SD, Meldrick makes him dig keep in the championship rounds)
3. Randall. (Whitaker UD)
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Old 09-11-2012, 05:55 PM   #3
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Chavez destroys our time stream by fighting himself in 1993. In unrelated events I would love Taylor-Whitaker.
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Old 09-11-2012, 07:38 PM   #4
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Default Re: Chavez against Whitaker's foe's.. how does he do..

1. Nelson = 8-4 Chavez @135
2. McGirt = 8-4 McGirt @147
3. Trinidad = (T)KO 5 Trinidad
To be fair Chavez was never a welterweight.

1. Camacho = 11-1 Whitaker @ 140
2. Taylor = 8-4 Whitaker @ 140
3. Randall. = 10-2 Whitaker @ 140.
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Old 09-11-2012, 08:01 PM   #5
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Default Re: Chavez against Whitaker's foe's.. how does he do..

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He has to fight


1. Nelson
2. McGirt
3. Trinidad


Whitaker has to fight Chavez foes...

1. Camacho
2. Taylor
3. Randall.

Assume they are all prime for prime or close to prime matchups. Chavez was older when he moved up to Welterweight... so assume he moved up earlier and was more prime.
1. Nelson-Chavez = Chavez UD, Nelson was at the tail end of his career.
2. McGirt-Chavez = McGirt SD, Buddy was underrated and was a smart fighter who maximized his skill level.
3. Trinidad-Chavez = Tito by TKO. Not much to say here. Tito would take his head off

1. Camacho-Whittaker = Sweat Pea UD, Camacho was past it by the time they would meet.
2. Taylor-Whittaker = Whittaker UD. Pernell would have too much ring IQ and discipline.
3. Randall-Whittaker = Whittaker UD. Pernell would be too slick for Randall.
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Old 09-11-2012, 08:07 PM   #6
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1. Nelson = 8-4 Chavez @135
2. McGirt = 8-4 McGirt @147
3. Trinidad = (T)KO 5 Trinidad
To be fair Chavez was never a welterweight.

1. Camacho = 11-1 Whitaker @ 140
2. Taylor = 8-4 Whitaker @ 140
3. Randall. = 10-2 Whitaker @ 140.
He fought only Whitaker and De La Hoya (I think), late in his career, at welterweight. However, you really underrate Chavez, I believe he beats McGirt by KO, and I don't know what to say about him vs Trinidad.
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Old 09-11-2012, 08:47 PM   #7
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Trinidad would kill Chavez...are you kidding, Andre? Chavez was unquestionably the better fighter, but head-to-head at 147, that would have counted for nought.

Chavez would have to be maniacal to take that fight.

BTW, I didnt realise Chavez was taking on these guys at the actual time in their careers Whitaker did...in which case, I revise my call to say yes, Chavez bashes an old Nelson away at 135 (IMO, Chavez's best weight, and clearly Nelson's worst).
I'm not questioning that, like I said I don't know what to say about Trinidad vs Chavez since I haven't really seen Felix fighting.

BTW, it's Andrei I don't want you to think I'm hispanic or something.
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Old 09-11-2012, 10:08 PM   #8
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You've never seen Trinidad fight, Andrei?
No, I didn't.
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Old 09-11-2012, 10:26 PM   #9
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No, I didn't.
IMMEDIATELY watch trinidad vs joppy, vargas, and carr
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Old 09-11-2012, 10:31 PM   #10
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IMMEDIATELY watch trinidad vs joppy, vargas, and carr
Will do
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Old 09-12-2012, 02:51 AM   #11
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Chavez vs. Nelson = 8-4 Chavez

Chavez vs. McGirt = 7-5 Chavez (Although McGirt probably performed better than Chavez did against Whitaker, I think Whitaker was sharper for Chavez and trained harder for that fight. I think Buddy would do well but will probably fade a bit down the stretch due to Chavez' body punishment.

Chavez vs. Trinidad = Trinidad 8-4. Chavez will box well early, but Tito is too big to contend with for 12 rounds/


Whitaker vs. Camacho = Whitaker 8-4

Whitaker vs. Taylor = Whitaker 8-4

Whitaker vs. Randall = Whitaker 9-3.


It would have been interesting to see a post-Vasquez Whitaker take on Randall in 1995. That could have been a really competitive fight. I'd edge it towards Pea but it wouldn't be easy.
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Old 09-12-2012, 07:35 AM   #12
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Chavez vs. Nelson = 8-4 Chavez

Chavez vs. McGirt = 7-5 Chavez (Although McGirt probably performed better than Chavez did against Whitaker, I think Whitaker was sharper for Chavez and trained harder for that fight. I think Buddy would do well but will probably fade a bit down the stretch due to Chavez' body punishment.

Chavez vs. Trinidad = Trinidad 8-4. Chavez will box well early, but Tito is too big to contend with for 12 rounds/


Whitaker vs. Camacho = Whitaker 8-4

Whitaker vs. Taylor = Whitaker 8-4

Whitaker vs. Randall = Whitaker 9-3.


It would have been interesting to see a post-Vasquez Whitaker take on Randall in 1995. That could have been a really competitive fight. I'd edge it towards Pea but it wouldn't be easy.
I would have like to have seen that fight as well, Randall wasn't really given the opportunity to take advantage of his win against Chavez like he should have been.
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Old 09-12-2012, 08:56 AM   #13
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Default Re: Chavez against Whitaker's foe's.. how does he do..

I think Whitaker beats all of Chavez comp, the only close 1 would be Taylor and I wish it happened

Chavez gets stopped by Trinidad. He beats Nelson. McGirt would be a close interesting fight, one that is hard to pick a winner. At 147 though you have to lean to McGirt. The Hurtado Whitaker fought at 147 is a problem for Chavez too
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Old 09-12-2012, 10:08 AM   #14
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Default Re: Chavez against Whitaker's foe's.. how does he do..

Chavez beats Nelson in a close fight on points,stops McGirt late or wins a decison in a close fight,Tito stops Chavez in around 8 rounds..

Whitaker beats Randall and camacho by comfortable decison,Taylor causes him major problems but Sweet Pea wins a close fight..
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Old 09-12-2012, 12:38 PM   #15
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Default Re: Chavez against Whitaker's foe's.. how does he do..

Just to be clear though... it's not at the same points each fought the others opponents. I wanted the fighters to be prime or closer to prime. For example.. when Chavez beat Camacho.. he wasn't prime... So in this thread he fights whitaker a little closer to prime say a few years earlier.. Same with Nelson.. etc.. Basically closer to prime as if they moved up earlier or what have you.
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