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Old 09-27-2012, 12:28 PM   #76
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If Pavlik is 80% of what he once was then he'll KO Chavez...
Before the Chavez fight Martinez credited Pavlik as giving him his toughest fight. I don't think Jr. bumped Pavlik with his performance. 12 round and all. I think Bigbone was right on at least one point. The knockdown sequence started with a pretty head jarring head butt. That probably dazed Martinez enough to allow Jr. to connect.
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Old 09-27-2012, 12:32 PM   #77
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Ward's a terrible choice of opponent for Pavlik at this stage of his career. Ward would utterly school him.
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Old 09-27-2012, 12:47 PM   #78
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Before the Chavez fight Martinez credited Pavlik as giving him his toughest fight. I don't think Jr. bumped Pavlik with his performance. 12 round and all. I think Bigbone was right on at least one point. The knockdown sequence started with a pretty head jarring head butt. That probably dazed Martinez enough to allow Jr. to connect.
IMO, the KD in the 12th was the result of two things. First, I think Martinez was fatigued as was evidenced by how he began to trade punches with Jr in the 11th and I saw Chavez land some CLEAN punches in that round. Second, in the 12th, Martinez elects to trade with Jr and gets clipped by a huge left hook while against the ropes. Sorry, but I didn't see a headbutt...
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Old 09-27-2012, 12:51 PM   #79
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Default Re: Goosen says Ward/Pavlik "in talks"

Unfortunately for Ward, the only fighter still with a name in the division (other than Bute who's got 2 fights already in place) is Pavlik. After that, who else realistically will there be to fight thats not seen as 'cherrypicking'
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Old 09-27-2012, 12:57 PM   #80
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IMO, the KD in the 12th was the result of two things. First, I think Martinez was fatigued as was evidenced by how he began to trade punches with Jr in the 11th and I saw Chavez land some CLEAN punches in that round. Second, in the 12th, Martinez elects to trade with Jr and gets clipped by a huge left hook while against the ropes. Sorry, but I didn't see a headbutt...
Bigbone has a thread with the video. It is pretty clear. Sergio's head is moved more by that than any subsequent punch.



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Now that I look at that it looks like it may have been a punch cuz one was coming and Jr's head doesn't seem to move much. I guess I finally fell for one of BigBone's St. Sergio rants.
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Old 09-27-2012, 01:23 PM   #81
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At this point Pavlik will have no choice but to fight Ward in oakland if he wants to fight Ward. Pavlik is no longer in position to make demands of where the fight should take place. If the fight does happen? Ward would easily embarrass Pavlik very badly. Pavlik is just not the same fighter its that simple.
I'm not disputing how a fight would go. i'm also not saying kelly would be "making demands" but he stands a better chance against anyone else in the division. ward is eying him because he's a name. i'm sure pavlik can get a fight w/ other guys for the same reason.

if you read my earlier post in this thread...i don't think the in ring product kelly has put forth his last three fights is good enough to beat any of the top guys. but ward is probably the worst matchup for him.
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Old 09-27-2012, 01:26 PM   #82
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but ward is probably the worst matchup for him.
If Dirrell comes in mentally tough, THAT would be the worst match up for him.
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Old 09-27-2012, 01:30 PM   #83
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If Dirrell comes in mentally tough, THAT would be the worst match up for him.
yeah maybe. i liked dirrell at the beginning of the S6. always thought the kid has a lot of talent. i also think that was a legit knockdown aa put on him. no disrespect to abraham but anyone he can find, kelly can find.
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