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Old 09-17-2012, 03:13 PM   #31
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Great Fighter and top 3 ATG Heavy, Marciano was a freak of nature with an indomitable will,great chin and recuperative power, amazing stamina and two fisted power and great boxing mind, one of the best ever conditioning.....soft-spoken but tremendous killer instinct and finishing power
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Old 09-17-2012, 03:15 PM   #32
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a "super heavyweight" is one of two things.
he’s either
1. a natural giant.
2. an enhanced body builder.

neither one is a genuine 3 minuets a round, fifteen round fighter.

IMO If you unleashed all the classic 200lb heavyweights onto today’s "super heavyweights" the giants would get beat up and the enhanced BODY BUILDERS would have to take off 30lb just to compete.

There always was giants but back in the day with smaller gloves the 200 pounders used to crucify them because they were faster, hit as hard and set a better pace.
My answer to that question is Rocky would have a picnic.

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Old 09-17-2012, 03:21 PM   #33
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I class a shw as anyone as big as foreman.

I think boxing wise the last great leap was in the 20's but evolution wise people have grown bigger. Those skilled at the top level have grown bigger.

Call it oversimplying but I personally believe a good big un beats a good little un. I wouldn't expect a ww to beat a mw unless he had a huge advantage in skill. Rocky might beat vitali because his inside game is non-existant but I can't see him prevailing against lewis, wlad, bowe or foreman who as all great's in their own right whilst enjoying a huge size advantage.

 
I am not so sure. Muhammad Ali at 6.3” weighed closer to 200lb when all the other contenders were closer to 190lb, in fact Ali came inside 200lb a few times. This tells me he needed that speed. Ali was an athletic giant. Larry Holmes? Best win at 207lb.
George foreman himself was as low as 217lb for his best wins and he was NOT a 15 round fighter. Was Foreman better at 250lb? I don’t think so.
You put weight on a fighter and he is not as good. Most of the biggest giants could make 220lb -and would be better for it.
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Old 09-17-2012, 03:25 PM   #34
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Mine's something like

Ali
Louis
Johnson
Foreman
Lewis
Holmes
Rocky
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Wlad

I'd have to check but it's pretty much that I think.
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Old 09-17-2012, 04:50 PM   #35
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A great fighter who fought in the heavyweight division. I rate him as the greatest head to head fighter under 200 pounds. However, I think he does not fare well against the heavyweights who followed him. And I certainly think he would be too small to survive a career at heavyweight in the modern era, just too much damage, too much fighting uphill, fight after fight, year after year. He broke down under the punishment of 180-200 pound guys over the stretch of a career.

And anyone who thinks he could fight nearly effective at 200 pounds has little understanding of his assets, style and body type.
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Old 09-17-2012, 05:04 PM   #36
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I am not so sure. Muhammad Ali at 6.3 weighed closer to 200lb when all the other contenders were closer to 190lb, in fact Ali came inside 200lb a few times. This tells me he needed that speed. Ali was an athletic giant. Larry Holmes? Best win at 207lb.
George foreman himself was as low as 217lb for his best wins and he was NOT a 15 round fighter. Was Foreman better at 250lb? I dont think so.
You put weight on a fighter and he is not as good. Most of the biggest giants could make 220lb -and would be better for it.
That doesn't really disagree with anything I posted. I'm just replying out of courtesy at this point
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Old 09-17-2012, 06:12 PM   #37
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That doesn't really disagree with anything I posted. I'm just replying out of courtesy at this point
Ok, you were saying you class a superheavyweight as someone as big as Foreman who i say was 217lb and not a 15 round fighter. Wouldn't you say there is a lot of artificial weight atributed to the modern SHW?

IMO SuperHeavyWeights are kind of artificial anyway. There are few exceptions. Its not so much they are getting bigger on their own, more because training has changed. Nobody is fighting a full 3 minuets, nobody is fighting 15 rounds. boxing was a young mans sport because peak fitness and a good pace was a big part of it.. It is not a young mans sport now because once everyone is carrying more weight it neutralises the advantage of youth.

maybe training to stay Leaner, harder and faster shortens a career? If so I still recon the leaner, faster harder guy beats the slower, clumsier tireder guy who is used to fighting other slower guys in most cases.
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Old 09-17-2012, 09:36 PM   #38
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He's garbage.
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Old 09-17-2012, 09:42 PM   #39
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Which fighters fought ATG in every fight?
I was astounded the day I studied the records of some of Rocky's opponents.

At one point, within 18 months of meeting up with Walcott, Rocky fought three straight fights with opponents who had LOSING records.

Can you imagine Ali or Frazier doing that?

Sorry, but it is true. Marciano fought a bunch of cans.
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Old 09-17-2012, 09:44 PM   #40
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I was astounded the day I studied the records of some of Rocky's opponents.

At one point, within 18 months of meeting up with Walcott, Rocky fought three straight fights with opponents who had LOSING records.

Can you imagine Ali or Frazier doing that?

Sorry, but it is true. Marciano fought a bunch of cans.
So where's that put Rocky in your estimation, y?
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Old 09-17-2012, 09:49 PM   #41
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He's garbage.
Don't sit on the fence, PtP. Say what you think
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Old 09-17-2012, 10:01 PM   #42
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So where's that put Rocky in your estimation, y?
I would put Rocky somewhere around 15th all time.
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Old 09-17-2012, 10:12 PM   #43
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I would put Rocky somewhere around 15th all time.
Would you feel shabby 'bout bein' 15th ALL TIME, Y?

Who would the 14 ahead of him be?
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Old 09-17-2012, 10:42 PM   #45
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Would you feel shabby 'bout bein' 15th ALL TIME, Y?

Who would the 14 ahead of him be?
Not shabby at all.

I NEVER said Rocky was not a great. I did say he fought an unusually high number of cans and I'll stand by that.

In prime matchups, I would take Jeffries, Johnson, Dempsey, Tunney, Louis,
Liston, Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield, and Lewis over Rocky.

In addition, I think prime Charles and Walcott would stand very viable chances.

Of course there are others that never held the title that would have made for interesting matchups against Rocky.
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