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Old 04-03-2013, 04:26 PM   #61
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Marvis Frazier looked handy, but why they pitched him in against Holmes at that stage I don't know. Must have been the money.

In his autobiography Joe says how proud he was of Marvis in the ring and the fact that he made about a million and a half by the time he quit.
A million and a half?! Thats a alot of money for only 21 fights. He must have gotten alot from the Holmes and Tyson fights.
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Old 04-03-2013, 05:57 PM   #62
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Just watched highlights of the FOTC, man they were both electric that night. Makes a mockery of modern heavyweight title fights
Yes sir.
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Old 04-03-2013, 06:15 PM   #63
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Ill say one thing larry was more of a consummate professional than ali, and more dedicated to the fighting business. As great as ali was he had the chance to be even greater. Saying that the layoff didn't exactly help him
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Want to know something. I don't like Joe Frazier's style. I think he's overrated as a heavyweight. H2H and greatness. I actually find his style kinda boring to watch. Yes, really. He's a come forward pressure fighter, who might be extremely exciting to the majority. But that, "bobbing and weaving", throwing mainly left hooks doesn't do anything for me. Not enough variation for me. Perhaps, it's his limited long range ability.

I actually think the variety from Bowe and Holyfield in their 1st fight.....The skill level combined by both far outdid anything Ali and Frazier produced in the FOTC or Manila.
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Old 04-03-2013, 06:34 PM   #65
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Alis long range ability more than made up for that in the fight, it was a perfect clash of styles. Your right, holyfield and bowe 1 had exciting elements too, but in my opinion it wasnt quite the same. Plus dont forget the FOTC was the real deal 15 rounds
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Alis long range ability more than made up for that in the fight, it was a perfect clash of styles. Your right, holyfield and bowe 1 had exciting elements too, but in my opinion it wasnt quite the same. Plus dont forget the FOTC was the real deal 15 rounds
Ali was mainly effective on the outside. Up close was Frazier's range. Once Frazier got inside, he'd look to go to work, with Ali usually looking to hold in that range.

Bowe and Holyfield were both brilliant at long range. Once they dropped inside on each other, they fought it out. The variety they both showed at any range with both hands was superb.

People might well disagree with this.....I think the historical significance of the Ali-Frazier fights - FOTC or Manila - might well prove to be smoke and mirrors when they come to favoring them over Bowe-Holyfield I for skill and variety.
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Ali was mainly effective on the outside. Up close was Frazier's range. Once Frazier got inside, he'd look to go to work, with Ali usually looking to hold in that range.

Bowe and Holyfield were both brilliant at long range. Once they dropped inside on each other, they fought it out. The variety they both showed at any range with both hands was superb.

People might well disagree with this.....I think the historical significance of the Ali-Frazier fights - FOTC or Manila - might well prove to be smoke and mirrors when they come to favoring them over Bowe-Holyfield I for skill and variety.
I think the thriller in Manila is the biggest war in heavyweight history, especially considering the conditions. And these were two fighters who were past their primes
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I think the thriller in Manila is the biggest war in heavyweight history, especially considering the conditions. And these were two fighters who were past their primes
I don't disagree. It was brutal in serious conditions. It was a high paced fierce war throughout. But my point is that Bowe-Holyfield was the same but with more skill and variety.
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I wouldn't exactly say more skill, but I'd call it more fundamental and orthodox. Each to their own I suppose
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I wouldn't exactly say more skill, but I'd call it more fundamental and orthodox. Each to their own I suppose
I'd say more variety of punches from Holyfield and Bowe, inside and outside. It's actually say this is fact rather than opinion.
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Joe Frazier beats Larry Holmes peak vs peak. Joe did have a lull in his career where he wasn't the same but I do believe that the form he found in Manila in 1975 would have been too much for Larry Holmes as well.

Its definitely a tough fight and it would go into the later rounds but Joe Frazier had to be at or near his best to beat Holmes. Any less than his best and Holmes takes it.
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Holyfield and bowe were a lot more wild and s****py with their execution than both ali and frazier, and I'm even thinking holyfield was ready to give in after the knockdown, but bowe couldn't finish him
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Holyfield and bowe were a lot more wild and s****py with their execution than both ali and frazier, and I'm even thinking holyfield was ready to give in after the knockdown, but bowe couldn't finish him
Give in?.....Hardly. You're now saying things to lower the level on Bowe-Holyfield I. Ali or Frazier could not have came back any better than Holyfield if they were in a similar position during a fight.

Bowe and Holyfield were within range and putting in some hurtful bombs, inside and outside. Wild? Any fight fought at that pace is going to be wild to a certain extent.
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Holmes made Foreman retire.
Larry was just to durable and to much of a punch variation combined with elusive footwork to lose to Frazier.
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Give in?.....Hardly. You're now saying things to lower the level on Bowe-Holyfield I. Ali or Frazier could not have came back any better than Holyfield if they were in a similar position during a fight.

Bowe and Holyfield were within range and putting in some hurtful bombs, inside and outside. Wild? Any fight fought at that pace is going to be wild to a certain extent.
Holyfield nor bowe took as much punishment as ali and frazier did, I wouldn't say it was at the same pace as the fight of the century. We will agree to disagree but in my opinion the fight of the century was the better fight with the better fighters
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