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View Poll Results: Are Mayweather's test Olympic Standard
Yes, It is apart of the WADA testing program. 7 18.42%
No, it is sub-standard with holes in where you can dope. 31 81.58%
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Old 09-21-2012, 09:55 AM   #16
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His tests have caught zero athletes, while VADA which only came into existence last year has caught Peterson and Berto.

NSAC with there standard post-fight urine test still catch the most.

It was troubling to see USADA destroying the sample in the Quillin vs Wright fight.

Never gave a reason for why they did it too.
Vada is also a good option and cheaper. I still have doubts with it being so close in relation to Conte though.
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Old 09-21-2012, 09:56 AM   #17
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Some people seem to think that the tests that Mayweather has used for his fights, since Pacquiao wanted to fight him, are Olympic Standard and are used for athletes that have signed up to the WADA testing program.

This is simply not the case, and what is more is that there are gaping holes in the testing procedure that allow the athletes to use PEDs and get away with it.

And with an athlete like Floyd who takes long breaks out of the game it possible he could take all kinds of illegal PEDs and get away with it, while a fighter that fights regularly would get caught out by the standard NSAC post-fight urine test.

This is the WADA testing program which Olympic athletes have to sign up to.

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The testing is 365 day a year as well as testing at events. Floyd has not signed up to the WADA testing program.


Only one boxer at present has put himself forward to Olympic Standard Testing, and that is Nonito Donaire.

Floyd testing is only done over a 60 day period prior to the fight and post fight tests.

This leaves a large window throughout the rest of the year where Floyd could take any PED he desires and then get it flushed from his system but still be able to reap the benefits from it.

It also WADA's protocol to have athletes that have retire to be on the testing program for 9 months before being able to compete, Floyd does not adhere to this.

Until recently USADA did not CIR test all of it's sample, a test for artificial testosterone.

This could allow their athletes to micro-dope by only taking small amount of testosterone to keep them under the limit where the sample would be CIR tested.

VADA do test all there samples with CIR testing and caught out Peterson this way.


But even with full WADA testing the cheats can still get through, as we have seen with Lance Armstrong.
Usada been doing CIR testing for years
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Old 09-21-2012, 09:57 AM   #18
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His tests have caught zero athletes, while VADA which only came into existence last year has caught Peterson and Berto.

NSAC with there standard post-fight urine test still catch the most.

It was troubling to see USADA destroying the sample in the Quillin vs Wright fight.

Never gave a reason for why they did it too.
Shane Mosley and Victor Ortiz where found clean by both WADA and VADA testing that only leaves Floyd Mayweather and Miguel Cotto who have done Floyd style drug testing and not VADA. Maybe no one has been caught because they where clean for the Floyd Mayweather fights or is that unlikely in your opinion?
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Old 09-21-2012, 09:57 AM   #19
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It is better than the test conducted in boxing currantly, Nonito Donaire is the only boxer who could be said to be doing what would be Olympic Style drug testing.

If Floyd was doing all year testing how does this work out for his opponents?

Do they begin testing as soon as they are signed to fight Floyd or the ussually at the beginning of training camp?
Beginning of training camp, I think 60 days before the fight.

It is better than tests carried out in America, though all Sauerland fighters are subjected to similar tests
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Old 09-21-2012, 10:03 AM   #20
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Shane Mosley and Victor Ortiz where found clean by both WADA and VADA testing that only leaves Floyd Mayweather and Miguel Cotto who have done Floyd style drug testing and not VADA. Maybe no one has been caught because they where clean for the Floyd Mayweather fights or is that unlikely in your opinion?
Basically the same test, the only difference were the CIR testing for all samples by VADA.

WADA don't carry out the testing , the set the standard

We do know Mosley has used PEDs before.

They probably are clean, I have no evidence to the contrary, but the point is that there are hole in the testing procedure that Mayweather uses and it not Olympic Standard.
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Old 09-21-2012, 10:03 AM   #21
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Shane Mosley and Victor Ortiz where found clean by both WADA and VADA testing that only leaves Floyd Mayweather and Miguel Cotto who have done Floyd style drug testing and not VADA. Maybe no one has been caught because they where clean for the Floyd Mayweather fights or is that unlikely in your opinion?


The best measuring stick are Mosley and Ortiz. If VADA had ended up catching them but not the USADA then there should be a cause for concern.

But they all tested clean so it's reasonable to assume that all fighters were clean under USADA tests.
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Old 09-21-2012, 10:06 AM   #22
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Usada been doing CIR testing for years
Yes they do, but they don't or at least didn't CIR test all samples.

USADA once stated the carry out CIR testing strategically.
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Old 09-21-2012, 10:06 AM   #23
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Basically the same test, the only difference were the CIR testing for all samples by VADA.

WADA don't carry out the testing , the set the standard

We do know Mosley has used PEDs before.

They probably are clean, I have no evidence to the contrary, but the point is that there are hole in the testing procedure that Mayweather uses and it not Olympic Standard.
USADA have always done CIR, in fact a couple of athletes before the Olympics got caught through it .
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Old 09-21-2012, 10:09 AM   #24
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Vada is also a good option and cheaper. I still have doubts with it being so close in relation to Conte though.
I'm more concerned with Conte working in sport.

He advises VADA nothing more though, the testing is done at WADA accredited labs.

Conte is like the ex-mafia man with the insider knowledge to bring down his former pals and people like them.
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Old 09-21-2012, 10:23 AM   #25
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i don't understand all this CIR, WADA, etc. so i'll just ask simple questions.

is this better than the current drug testing boxing uses? or boxers can still get away from cheating?
does Floyd method have actually caught someone cheating?
how many cheaters have the current drug test have been caught?
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Old 09-21-2012, 10:30 AM   #26
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i don't understand all this CIR, WADA, etc. so i'll just ask simple questions.

is this better than the current drug testing boxing uses? or boxers can still get away from cheating?
does Floyd method have actually caught someone cheating?
how many cheaters have the current drug test have been caught?

It is a better standard of testing that the commissions offer. But it leaves big holes where fighters can still cheat and get away with it.

No has been caught by Floyd's standard USADA testing, what is troubling is that after GBP lost fights, Khan vs Peterson and Ortiz vs Berto, the testing for the Quillin vs Wright fight, which was carried out by USADA, was stopped and samples collected destroyed.


NSAC tests have caught hundreds, they caught Chavez last week, and other commissions have caught quite a few as well.
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Old 09-21-2012, 10:49 AM   #27
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Olympic style testing doesn't require blood tests ... at least for boxers.
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Old 09-21-2012, 11:15 AM   #28
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It is Olympic standard, it's just not done to their protocol, the tests are the exact same just not done the whole year, I haven't done enough research on it to know how often athletes are tested during their off season (or to be honest if an off season even exists)

Tbh it should be just known as additional testing, but the Olympic standard thing is kinda catchy.
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Old 09-21-2012, 11:26 AM   #29
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It is Olympic standard, it's just not done to their protocol, the tests are the exact same just not done the whole year, I haven't done enough research on it to know how often athletes are tested during their off season (or to be honest if an off season even exists)

Tbh it should be just known as additional testing, but the Olympic standard thing is kinda catchy.
Olympic standard testing is 365 days a year.

Floyd testing is 60 days prior to a fight.

That leaves 300 plus day where Floyd could use, seeing how he only fights once every 16 months, that is almost 500 days for possible use of PEDs.

Olympic Standard maybe catchy, but it simply is not.
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Old 09-21-2012, 11:27 AM   #30
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I agree, I think Floyd should test year round and make all his future opponents start testing right now as well. Pacquiao needs to sign a contract today saying he agrees to get tested randomly today all the way up to the fight next year
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