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Old 10-04-2012, 01:09 PM   #61
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Enter 1996 and the legal availability of androstenedione (a-dione) and other
prohormones. For the first time, "steroids" were legally available over the
counter and testosterone became user-friendly. It could not only enhance
strength and muscle size, but also improve body composition, bone density,
libido, and immunocompetence. Some research even suggested T could make
you smarter! Unfortunately, as supplement sales skyrocketed, so did marketing
hyperbole. And so, too, did the bull about which company had the most potent
prohormone concoction and how effective these "legal steroids" were.


Enter 1996 and the legal availability of androstenedione (a-dione) and other
prohormones. For the first time, "steroids" were legally available over the
counter and testosterone became user-friendly. It could not only enhance
strength and muscle size, but also improve body composition, bone density,
libido, and immunocompetence. Some research even suggested T could make
you smarter! Unfortunately, as supplement sales skyrocketed, so did marketing
hyperbole. And so, too, did the bull about which company had the most potent
prohormone concoction and how effective these "legal steroids" were.


In healthy humans, the "rate-limiting" step in testosterone biosynthesis is the
conversion of cholesterol into a hormone called pregnenolone. This hormone is
then first converted to either DHEA or progesterone before being further
degraded in a stepwise fashion to testosterone. Schematically, the two possible
pathways look like this: (Enzymes have been omitted for clarity.)
Cholesterol » pregnenolone » progesterone » androstenedione» T
Cholesterol » pregnenolone » DHEA » androstenediol » T
As I said, andro has been shown to increase serum testosterone levels over short periods and has NOT been shown to increase strength or muscle size in clinical studies, and it is clearly NOT an anabolic steroid even though it was legally reclassified as one in 2005 under the anabolic steroid control act. It also may have been the cause of Jones' 6:1 T/E ratio. I doubt it was, but I can't say for certain and neither can anyone else here. The end.
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When did Vitali Klitschko use anabolic steroids?
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When did Vitali Klitschko use anabolic steroids?
In 1996 when he was an amateur. He was kicked off the Ukrainian olympic team because he tested positive.
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Maybe. Without any proof that he took it to enhance his training or his performance on the night, though, I gotta assume he was just using it to get high like everybody else who uses it.
Probably, but irrelevant. The dude broke the rules, making excuses don't make it OK.

Lashawn Merrit took pills to get a bigger ****, but he still got a two year ban.
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As I said, andro has been shown to increase serum testosterone levels over short periods and has NOT been shown to increase strength or muscle size in clinical studies, and it is clearly NOT an anabolic steroid even though it was legally reclassified as one in 2005 under the anabolic steroid control act. It also may have been the cause of Jones' 6:1 T/E ratio. I doubt it was, but I can't say for certain and neither can anyone else here. The end.
In turns into testosterone, and like it or not chemically it is a steroid. And it does increase muscle mass and strength.
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Probably, but irrelevant. The dude broke the rules, making excuses don't make it OK.

Lashawn Merrit took pills to get a bigger ****, but he still got a two year ban.
Whitaker's a coke head no doubt, but I'm not ready to call him a PED cheat... Not without any evidence whatsoever that he used it to gain any type of advantage.
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In turns into testosterone, and like it or not chemically it is a steroid. And it does increase muscle mass and strength.
[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androstenedione[/ame]

The "Andro-Project", conducted by medical researchers at East Tennessee State University, showed that the supplement "Andro"(androstenedione/androstenediol) does not increase muscle mass or strength.

Androstenedione has been shown to increase serum testosterone levels over an eight-hour period in men when taken as a single oral dose of 300 mg per day, but a dose of 100 mg had no significant effect on serum testosterone.

A 2006 review paper summarized several studies that examined the effect of androstenedione on [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strength_training"]strength training[/ame]. At dosages of 50 mg or 100 mg per day, andro had no effect on muscle strength or size, or on body fat levels. One study used a daily dosage of 300 mg of androstenedione combined with several other supplements, and also found no increase in strength when compared to a control group that did not take the supplements.

On March 12, 2004, the Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2004 was introduced into the United States Senate. It amended the [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_Substance_Act"]Controlled Substance Act[/ame] to place both [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabolic_steroid"]anabolic steroids[/ame] and [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohormone"]prohormones[/ame] on a list of [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_substance"]controlled substances[/ame], making possession of the banned substances a federal crime. The law took effect on January 20, 2005. However, androstenedione was legally defined as an anabolic steroid, even though there is scant evidence that androstenedione itself is anabolic in nature.
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Whitaker's a coke head no doubt, but I'm not ready to call him a PED cheat... Not without any evidence whatsoever that he used it to gain any type of advantage.
The reasons are irrelevant, he took it and it can give you an advantage.

You can all the testing in the world but the regulations need to be enforced.
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The reasons are irrelevant, he took it and it can give you an advantage.

You can all the testing in the world but the regulations need to be enforced.
No, they're not. If he used cocaine to get high and not to enhance his training or his in fight performance then he isn't a PED cheat.
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Cocaine is a stimulant.
So is caffeine and nicotine neither of which will help you in the ring.
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Here's a story about another study which suggests that andro isn't worth a shit.

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Bottom line is Jones didn't "test positive" for andro or any other substance. His T/E test came back with a 6:1 ratio. He says the high ratio was caused by Ripped Fuel and I think I remember someone else trying to blame it on a nasal decongestant. I honestly believe he was taking a real anabolic steroid, but like I said, I can't say for certain.
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So is caffeine and nicotine neither of which will help you in the ring.
Depends on how you use them - how much and when. Using stimulants on nights out and in the wrong quantities would likely be deleterious - the comedown might sap your will to train, and the highs would mess up your judgement.

On the other hand, being able to train harder and withstand pain that would ordinarily be crippling could feasibly be useful. Ever heard of "Pot Belge"? A mixture of coke, heroin, speed, caffeine that cyclists used to fuel epic training sessions, seven hours of hill climbing in winter was a lot easier when "lit up".
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So is caffeine and nicotine neither of which will help you in the ring.
Don't think nicotine is.
Caffeine is and it will help you in the ring and will be on the banned list.
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