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View Poll Results: Should Roy have fought more elite fighters to prove his true worth?
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Old 09-22-2012, 07:13 PM   #1
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Default Finally did research on Roy Jones. He actually did avoid most of the top MW-SMW.

Because there were so many threads on Roy-Ward-Calzaghe lately, it got my little curiosity engine burning and I decided to do a little researching.


1992- Roy Jones Jr became a legit MW top 3 fighter.

At that time these were the top middleweights.
Julian Jackson
James Toney (Toney at this stage of his career had NO issues making weight)
Reggie Johnson
Roy Jones Jr.
Mike McCallum

Chris Eubank and Nigel Benn were hovering between 160-168

Roy in 1992 fought Jorge Vaca, Art Serwano,Glenn Thomas, Percy Harris, and Glenn Wolfe.



1993
Roy has now become the #1 MW in the world.
These were his peers
Roy Jones Jr.
Gerald McClellan
John David Jackson
Reggie Johnson
Julian Jackson

Chris Eubank and Nigel Benn were hovering between 160-168

Roy avoided the murderous punchers and fought a relatively unknown Bernard Hopkins. Who became an ATG, but at that point in time, Bernard was not seen as a threat what so ever. After Hopkins Roy went on to fight the
much feared 'Fermin Chirino"


1994-1995
Roy Jones Jr is now considered the best 168 fighter in the world.

Right behind him were
Nigel Benn
Chris Eubank
Frankie Liles
Tim Littles
Michael Nunn



JAMES TONEY WAS RANKED AS A LIGHT HEAVY WEIGHT by the end of that year.


Roy Jones Jr decided to fight a clearly weight issued Toney and
good ole DANNY GARCIA.

James Toney was probably Roy's best win







Roy moves up to LHW, avoided the clear #2 Dariusz Michalczewski and fought everyone else.

Now this is very interesting, because Roy actually became less of a duck at LHW as compare to his MW-SMW Days.

I will like a expert on this subject. Perhaps Bailey, to explain why Roy Jones avoided most of the top MW-SMWs, but did LESS avoiding as a LHW?





Roy did finally managed to stop avoiding Mike McCallum and decided to fight him many years later when he became a LHW.
Mike's LHW record is 4-3. Mike's best days were clearly in the early-mid 90's when he and Roy both fought at 160-168ish weights. Offers were never accepted by Roy's camp.

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Old 09-22-2012, 07:17 PM   #2
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Default Re: Finally did research on Roy Jones. He actually did avoid most of the top MW-SMW.

It's pretty shocking how so many people don't realize Roy actually did avoid the vast majority of his MW-SMW competition.
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Default Re: Finally did research on Roy Jones. He actually did avoid most of the top MW-SMW.

Thanks for the match, brah.
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Default Re: Finally did research on Roy Jones. He actually did avoid most of the top MW-SMW.

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It's pretty shocking how so many people don't realize Roy actually did avoid the vast majority of his MW-SMW competition.
It's pretty shocking that you would bump your own thread after only 4 minutes.
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Old 09-22-2012, 07:21 PM   #5
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It's pretty shocking that you would bump your own thread after only 4 minutes.
I got no agenda. Prove the facts and stats I provided wrong?

From 1992 up until the point of Roy turning LHW, Roy fought 1 elite fighter in his division. Bernard Hopkins .Who at the time wasn't even considered elite. Bernard Hopkins was ranked 8-11 at the time at MW. I don't know that a top 8-11 guy was an 'elite' fighter.


James Toney was clearly drained, Roy himself forced Toney to fight at a lower weight in which Toney was no longer capable of fighting at.

Toney wasn't even ranked in the same division as Roy by the end of that year. Why didn't Roy clean out the divisions or even fight a top 5 guy?
Why didn't he fight Toney during their MW Days when Toney was still capable of performing at those weights?
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Old 09-22-2012, 07:25 PM   #6
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Default Re: Finally did research on Roy Jones. He actually did avoid most of the top MW-SMW.

1992
Julian Jackson
James Toney (Toney at this stage of his career had NO issues making weight)
Reggie Johnson
Mike McCallum
Chris Eubank and Nigel Benn were hovering between 160-168

1993-94
Gerald McClellan
John David Jackson
Reggie Johnson
Julian Jackson
Chris Eubank and Nigel Benn were hovering between 160-168


1994-1995-1996
Nigel Benn
Chris Eubank
Frankie Liles
Tim Littles
Michael Nunn

LHW- Dariusz Michalczewski (This one is up for debate, the rest isn't)

The only guy Roy fought during all those years was James Toney. Who never had intentions of staying at 168. When Toney had no issues with weight, Roy never fought him. It wasn't until Toney started preparing for his 175 campaign that Roy jumped on board.
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Old 09-22-2012, 07:29 PM   #7
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Default Re: Finally did research on Roy Jones. He actually did avoid most of the top MW-SMW.

We all know this... Some people just think this guy was some kind of superman who would easily have beat everyone... No need for the fights cause superman kicks ass!
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Old 09-22-2012, 07:31 PM   #8
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Default Re: Finally did research on Roy Jones. He actually did avoid most of the top MW-SMW.

no1 cares about roy jones no more.

apart from when his getting KO'd, then you want pics and vids.
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Old 09-22-2012, 07:35 PM   #9
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Default Re: Finally did research on Roy Jones. He actually did avoid most of the top MW-SMW.

Roy was the prototype HBO hype job.

Slick
Black

They loved him, but they knew his chin, it's no goid

So they hyped him to high heaven and put him in with basic plodders he could clown without his fragile glass mandible being smashed.

And they built thus myth that no-one beats prime Jones.

Well I think they could if he'd fought them, especially after he got busted as a steroid cheat
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Old 09-22-2012, 07:36 PM   #10
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Roy was the prototype HBO hype job.

Slick
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They loved him, but they knew his chin, it's no goid

So they hyped him to high heaven and put him in with basic plodders he could clown without his fragile glass mandible being smashed.

And they built thus myth that no-one beats prime Jones.

Well I think they could if he'd fought them, especially after he got busted as a steroid cheat
Great point Phil. It is interesting how you bring up the chin and upon further inspection of all the top ranked fighters he avoided. It was mostly big punchers.
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Old 09-22-2012, 07:38 PM   #11
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Default Re: Finally did research on Roy Jones. He actually did avoid most of the top MW-SMW.

Are you this stupid to think you can prove he avoided guys just by looking at lists? Boxrec warriors like you will never understand the difference of being there as they happen, and looking at lists. You're just as pathetic as the team elite morons....
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Old 09-22-2012, 07:39 PM   #12
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Are you this stupid to think you can prove he avoided guys just by looking at lists? Boxrec warriors like you will never understand the difference of being there as they happen, and looking at lists. You're just as pathetic as the team elite morons....
No.. He did avoid them. Lol. Stop being butt hurt brah.

Not one ATG avoided as many ranked guys in his divisions as Roy did.
Explain why he avoided everyone I listed during the opening page.

You can use the excuse of 'bad contracts' or 'failed negotiations' for 1-2, even 3-4 of them. How do you explain ALL of them.

Maybe Roy had a K2 slave contract too?
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Old 09-22-2012, 07:41 PM   #13
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Default Re: Finally did research on Roy Jones. He actually did avoid most of the top MW-SMW.

He beat Toney and Hopkins he didnt need to waste time on eurobums.
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Old 09-22-2012, 07:43 PM   #14
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No.. He did avoid them. Lol. Stop being butt hurt brah.

Not one ATG avoided as many ranked guys in his divisions as Roy did.
Explain why he avoided everyone I listed during the opening page.

You can use the excuse of 'bad contracts' or 'failed negotiations' for 1-2, even 3-4 of them. How do you explain ALL of them.

Maybe Roy had a K2 slave contract too?
Butt hurt over what? Pointing out your flawed attempts to LOGIC your way through this going by lists? I was never a big RJJ fan anyway.

If you think he avoided all these guys, PROVE it.

Show us how all those others wanted Jnnes. Were there even attempts? Bring up some interviews or articles where these guys all tried to fight Jones, but HE SAID NO. You know, ACTUAL RESEARCH.

But of course, you won't do ****. Just stick to boxrec. You'll be on team elite in no time.
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Old 09-22-2012, 07:47 PM   #15
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Butt hurt over what? Pointing out your flawed attempts to LOGIC your way through this going by lists? I was never a big RJJ fan anyway.

If you think he avoided all these guys, PROVE it.

Show us how all those others wanted Jnnes. Were there even attempts? Bring up some interviews or articles where these guys all tried to fight Jones, but HE SAID NO. You know, ACTUAL RESEARCH.

But of course, you won't do ****. Just stick to boxrec. You'll be on team elite in no time.

Why you raging? You are clearly butt hurt.
So someone going from 1992 to 1996 WITHOUT FIGHTING 98% of his top competition have no basis for suspicion?
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