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Old 09-25-2012, 04:16 PM   #31
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he has given in to every floyd demand.

he gave marquez a catch weight.

He gave more ground in weight against oscar.

Manny has risen more weight classes than anyone in the history of boxing, and has only fought in 2 catch weights. (excluding the one against marquez as marquez requested that one)

So he's hardly a catch weight king!


Georges Carpentier went from flyweight to heavy, Sam Langford went from feather to heavy
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Old 09-25-2012, 04:19 PM   #32
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Noticing a trend n his fights. in the morales fight morales wanted a catchweight, but team Pac said no.

pac moves up to fight other guys, he pretty much has become the king of catchweights.

-pac is able to go above the commission and put in millions of dollars in overweight penalties against Oscar, Cotto, and Mayweather in order to not get cheated

mayweather asks for blood testing to not be cheated for both....but it's not OK because the commission doesn't ask for it (Among other excuses)

-Pac nearly cancels the Hatton fight because of a 2 percent PPV split

yet he deserves 50/50 over floyd even tho floyd does better numbers

well said. The typical pac defenders will make excuses.

It is much easier to fight going up in weight than down. Pac was at 140 and had to move 7lbs up to meet Oscar while Oscar who went up as high as 160+ against Floyd then Drops back down to 147 which he haven't fought at for many years. It was a fair catch demand but definitely in Pac's favor. At that time Pac isn't that highly rated but his demands became his edge after Oscar.
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Old 09-25-2012, 04:20 PM   #33
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Old 09-25-2012, 04:40 PM   #34
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People don't realize that Pac has been asking for an edge or holds an edge for many occasions while Floyd have always tried to fight his opponent coming off wins and gives them an even playing field but fanboys will be fanboys.
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Old 09-25-2012, 04:44 PM   #35
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It's called "bargaining power," also known as "leverage." Hope that helps. /thread.
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Old 09-25-2012, 04:48 PM   #36
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well said. The typical pac defenders will make excuses.

It is much easier to fight going up in weight than down. Pac was at 140 and had to move 7lbs up to meet Oscar while Oscar who went up as high as 160+ against Floyd then Drops back down to 147 which he haven't fought at for many years. It was a fair catch demand but definitely in Pac's favor. At that time Pac isn't that highly rated but his demands became his edge after Oscar.
Oscars fight before Pac was at 150 against forbes, so he came down in weight 3lbs

Manny's fight was at 135, so he came up 12lbs.

Thats why manny was such a huge underdog.
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Old 09-25-2012, 04:49 PM   #37
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Georges Carpentier went from flyweight to heavy, Sam Langford went from feather to heavy
he didn't rise as much weight, but he still rose more weight classes than them two.
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Old 09-25-2012, 04:54 PM   #38
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Oscars fight before Pac was at 150 against forbes, so he came down in weight 3lbs

Manny's fight was at 135, so he came up 12lbs.

Thats why manny was such a huge underdog.
He was a huge under dog,but look at who knows the most here.. Freddie Roach,he trained Oscar and knew he was done,now training Manny this was his chance to make a name for himself by defeating him..

And it worked like a charm,then we see him fight a known cheater in Margarito,which was a good performance for a vacated belt,knowing the guy did not deserve a payday,but it got him an 8th title..
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Oscars fight before Pac was at 150 against forbes, so he came down in weight 3lbs

Manny's fight was at 135, so he came up 12lbs.

Thats why manny was such a huge underdog.
A lot of why Manny was a huge underdog is bc people just doesn't think he was that good. Oscar looked like crap against Forbes. He got his ass kicked for half of the fight which is another indication why he shouldn't go down further but he was thinking that he can score a big win against a smaller well known fighter and blew up on his face. Plus the catchweight was 145, not 147.
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Old 09-25-2012, 05:34 PM   #40
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Pac was only a 2-1 underdog when he was fightin Oscar. He was a bigger underdog against Barrera
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Pac was only a 2-1 underdog when he was fightin Oscar. He was a bigger underdog against Barrera
yeah, **** pac and the fact he was a former flyweight champ (112 pounds) vs DLH a former middleweight champ (160)



poor oscar was only a 2-1 favorite vs the tiny midget who made his pro debut at 107 pounds....
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yeah, **** pac and the fact he was a former flyweight champ (112 pounds) vs DLH a former middleweight champ (160)



poor oscar was only a 2-1 favorite vs the tiny midget who made his pro debut at 107 pounds....
Just clarifying that Pac wasn't a huge underdog for those in the know.
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he didn't rise as much weight, but he still rose more weight classes than them two.
Why are you counting bastard divisions
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Just clarifying that Pac wasn't a huge underdog for those in the know.
From what i remembered, Pac was +250 while Oscar was -360. Considering how bad Oscar looked and having to move down in weight, i considered Pac a big underdog.
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yeah, **** pac and the fact he was a former flyweight champ (112 pounds) vs DLH a former middleweight champ (160)



poor oscar was only a 2-1 favorite vs the tiny midget who made his pro debut at 107 pounds....
oscar didn't give a sh!t and was drinking weeks before the fight

he was also massively drained
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