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Old 09-25-2012, 06:45 PM   #46
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It's called "bargaining power," also known as "leverage." Hope that helps. /thread.
n that means it's ok to abuse it like he does?
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Old 09-25-2012, 06:52 PM   #47
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A lot of why Manny was a huge underdog is bc people just doesn't think he was that good. Oscar looked like crap against Forbes. He got his ass kicked for half of the fight which is another indication why he shouldn't go down further but he was thinking that he can score a big win against a smaller well known fighter and blew up on his face. Plus the catchweight was 145, not 147.
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We know Oscar's not to bright, but supposedly Schaefer is. How do you suppose he didn't see this coming, was so obvious? What was your prediction?
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Old 09-25-2012, 06:54 PM   #48
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Not on the level Pac does it though.
How about the guy in your avatar? He attempted to unify belts at a CW. If that's not cheating history, I don't know what is.

Of course, the belt he tried to unify was not legit at all, obtained through blatant robbery. Does that make the CW better in your eyes maybe?
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Old 09-25-2012, 06:58 PM   #49
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How about the guy in your avatar? He attempted to unify belts at a CW. If that's not cheating history, I don't know what is.

Of course, the belt he tried to unify was not legit at all, obtained through blatant robbery. Does that make the CW better in your eyes maybe?
Nope i am one of the first to admit the sturm fight was a bad decision and the catchweight for the belt was also crap.

Unlike the pactards, who believe catchweights are legitimate negotiating tactics
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Old 09-25-2012, 07:06 PM   #50
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Nope i am one of the first to admit the sturm fight was a bad decision and the catchweight for the belt was also crap.

Unlike the pactards, who believe catchweights are legitimate negotiating tactics
Well obviously it's worse asking for a CW in the division you're holding a belt in, than asking for one when moving up. You're pretty much admitting to being a paper champ. Not that we didn't know that about DLH's MW belt. But if it's any comfort, DLH's MW CW is nowhere near as bad as what Cotto tried to pull on that one eyed bum at SWW.
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Old 09-25-2012, 07:15 PM   #51
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35 & counting!

These are excuses Pac, Arum, Roach and Pactards have come up with as to why Pacquiao can't fight Mayweather on May 5th or ever.
2. Cut needs 8 months to heal
5. Arum says May 5th too soon for cut to heal
7. Fight should be in Dubai or Dallas not Vegas
9. Arum is not sure why Schaffer keeps calling him, so Arum won't return call
13. Pac is running for president and fighting Floyd would not be good press because of Floyd's disrespectful ways.
14. Arum doesn't know who to call to reach Floyds business
22. Top Rank has investors needed for a fight of this magnitutude..joe jackson and Bobby Brown
26. Maywaether may not get a licensed by the boxing commision, so we can't negotiate fight- Bob Arum
These were my personal favorites. I especially love Arum acting like there was some mystery as to whether Floyd would actually get licensed, as well as the idea that it's just a goshdarned mystery who to contact.

Also I had completely forgotten what horrible damage would befall Pacquiao's reputation and political prospects had he fought miscreant like Floyd
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Old 09-25-2012, 07:30 PM   #52
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Noticing a trend n his fights. in the morales fight morales wanted a catchweight, but team Pac said no.

pac moves up to fight other guys, he pretty much has become the king of catchweights.

-pac is able to go above the commission and put in millions of dollars in overweight penalties against Oscar, Cotto, and Mayweather in order to not get cheated

mayweather asks for blood testing to not be cheated for both....but it's not OK because the commission doesn't ask for it (Among other excuses)

-Pac nearly cancels the Hatton fight because of a 2 percent PPV split

yet he deserves 50/50 over floyd even tho floyd does better numbers

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Old 09-25-2012, 07:35 PM   #53
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he has given in to every floyd demand
Yeah AFTER he made sure that the fight was cancelled!
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Old 09-25-2012, 07:44 PM   #54
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You are just now noticing that Pac is sometimes too little but sometimes not too little depending upon his opponent.

Wow.
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Old 09-25-2012, 07:48 PM   #55
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Well obviously it's worse asking for a CW in the division you're holding a belt in, than asking for one when moving up. You're pretty much admitting to being a paper champ. Not that we didn't know that about DLH's MW belt. But if it's any comfort, DLH's MW CW is nowhere near as bad as what Cotto tried to pull on that one eyed bum at SWW.
And pac has never held any paper titles right? I mean besides the WBO, the catchweight belt, the sww belt, etc.
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Old 09-25-2012, 07:57 PM   #56
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And pac has never held any paper titles right? I mean besides the WBO, the catchweight belt, the sww belt, etc.
No doubt, his SWW belt is paper as hell. The WW belt didn't start out ideal, but he's defended against a couple of top 10 guys, he's justified it since. How about this, order these belt winning efforts in terms of quality:

1. Cotto at 145
2. Matt Hatton at 150, while missing the catchweight
3. Alligator armed Aydin at 147. Aydin 151 fight night, never beat a top 10 welter, but robbed a non top 10 JWW Jojo Dan
4. Jennings at 147
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Old 09-25-2012, 07:59 PM   #57
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flomo thread alert!!!!!!!!
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Old 09-25-2012, 08:00 PM   #58
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No doubt, his SWW belt is paper as hell. The WW belt didn't start out ideal, but he's defended against a couple of top 10 guys, he's justified it since. How about this, order these belt winning efforts in terms of quality:

1. Cotto at 145
2. Matt Hatton at 150, while missing the catchweight
3. Alligator armed Aydin at 147. Aydin 151 fight night, never beat a top 10 welter, but robbed a non top 10 JWW Jojo Dan
4. Jennings at 147
Why? all are pretty paper with crappy stipulations attached
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Old 09-25-2012, 09:18 PM   #59
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Anyone can come up with a laundry list of shit talk for a modern fighter. I don't understand how "boxing fans" can be so negative about one of the sports main figures be it EITHER Pacquiao OR Floyd

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Old 09-25-2012, 09:20 PM   #60
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Stars dictate shit. It ain't right but thats how it goes.

But honestly, who still gives a shit about Pac-May?

Let em ask for whatever they want. They already killed the fight.
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