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Old 09-26-2012, 07:26 AM   #16
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Agree. Lazy, tired cliche.
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Old 09-26-2012, 07:46 AM   #17
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It applies to football, thats about it
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Old 09-26-2012, 08:35 AM   #18
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thats because we instill its the taking part that counts shit into the kids
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Old 09-26-2012, 09:38 AM   #19
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It's an old cliche but it isn't lazy or tired -the British public like a winner of course but they also love a good plucky loser. This is separate from what proper fans of various sports think. How else do you explain the fact Greg Rusedski won BBC Sports Personality of the Year one year? And who was runner-up that year .... Tim Henman!! When you consider Andy Murray's struggles for acceptance despite having more talent than both put together, then there is still the love of the plucky Brit loser around.

But in a way that makes winning even more enjoyable as I don't think anybody would want to follow China's example in training an army of sporting robots from nursery age. It just happens we're in the midst of Olympic euphoria at the mo and we've suddenly got a whole rash of winners this year in events that have caught the wider public's imagination.
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Old 09-26-2012, 09:45 AM   #20
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The fact he's only just getting out of his "dour Scottish git" phase probably has something to do with him not winning any personality based competitions.

Middle England loved Tim Henmen, they'd have loved him even more though if he'd have won Wimbledon. Theres a difference between prefering "nice" losers (which I don't think we do) and prefering winners but not totally dismissing the guys who don't quite make it.
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Old 09-26-2012, 09:50 AM   #21
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.....and not that the BBC Sport Personality is a decent barometer of sports success but I'll bet my life a "winner" wins it this year and probably no "losers" in the first 3 positions.
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Old 09-26-2012, 09:52 AM   #22
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The fact he's only just getting out of his "dour Scottish git" phase probably has something to do with him not winning any personality based competition votes.
In fairness he still has a dour demeanour. I couldn't give a toss whether he's grinning all the time or looks miserable as sin. He's just a class performer at his sport. As for the wider public, they only started to like him cos he had a cry in defeat at Wimbledon.
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Old 09-26-2012, 09:55 AM   #23
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.....and not that the BBC Sport Personality is a decent barometer of sports success but I'll bet my life a "winner" wins it this year and probably no "losers" in the first 3 positions.
Well the likes of those who voted for Zara Phillips have got plenty of winners that have been in the news a lot to choose from this year. Like you say it isn't about sports success. Think that's what Bugner was on about. Not that I have much time for him, but he did have a point in that winning isn't as criticial in this country as it is in others in terms of gaining wider popularity.
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Old 09-26-2012, 10:01 AM   #24
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I agree with that last sentence HOF, its just when people say we PREFER losers that I think they are just repeating a cliche.
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Old 09-26-2012, 10:08 AM   #25
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I agree with that last sentence HOF, its just when people say we PREFER losers that I think they are just repeating a cliche.
Yeah this summer has shown that everybody prefers a winner, as has always been the case.
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Old 09-26-2012, 11:58 AM   #26
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As someone not originally from the UK, would be good to know why Lewis wasn't hugely popular. Is it because people saw him as Canadian?
Not sure about that. Maybe not Bruno popular but then he never reached out to non-boxing fans in the same way.
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Old 09-26-2012, 09:43 PM   #27
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Absolute load of shite

Look at Mo Farah, Jessica Ennis, Bradley Wiggins - all successful and universally liked.
Nah bollox i hate them three. Can't stand seeing them have success...
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Old 09-27-2012, 06:51 AM   #28
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Even a stopped clock shows the right time twice a day.
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Old 09-27-2012, 08:58 AM   #29
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He said before the Bruno fight:

"this country doesn't like winners, the media tears them down and the public laps it up. What this county loves is a good loser "

Bugner spoke the truth, he's seen as a villan but by god he had a very valid point
Thats why we loved Bugner so much, he was a good loser
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Old 09-27-2012, 10:17 AM   #30
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he never had any character like bruno. our frank was a great character who would of been a star in any country
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