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Old 09-26-2012, 05:21 PM   #46
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Ward's also wins by wide margins and stopped Dawson.
which was very easy to do as dawson didn't have the strength to throw any punches. the end.
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Old 09-26-2012, 05:24 PM   #47
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Ok so hypothetically, let's say he rematches Dawson at 175 and does the same thing.. Would you then say it's a better win then any in Floyd's career?
but he's already got in dawsons mind. so beating him at 175 at this point would prove very little. let dawson get some wins under his belt first and get his confidence back.
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Old 09-26-2012, 05:25 PM   #48
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That's dependent on how Dawson looks. Recklessly trying to lose that much weight could affect him for the rest of his career a la Jones. If Ward had decided to take a risk for a change and move up for the first fight, then maybe, but as usual he wanted everything on his terms.
Exactly.
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Old 09-26-2012, 05:27 PM   #49
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ROFL.

I give Ward beating Chad as much as i give Floyd beating Zab.
nah, the zab win for floyd was much better. at least he was able to fight at the weight they fought at. unlike dawson.
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Old 09-26-2012, 05:31 PM   #50
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Chad lost a close fight to Pascal, but had him hurt at the end and I believe he'd win a rematch. Regardless of how old he is beating Bernard Hopkins is an extremely difficult task.

Floyd did not dominate Cotto the way Ward dominated Dawson and before he fought Floyd Hatton's best win was against a declining Tzyu and many thought he lost to Collazo. While I think De La Hoya was a great win, he was a part time fighter at the time and it was a close fight.. Unlike Ward's win over Chad. Corrales and Castillio 2 were impressive wins though.
that wasn't a close fight, pascal clearly beat him.

who knows if he'd beat pascal in a rematch. he hasn't done it yet, so that means nothing.

dawson beat a man who looked his age... and looked like shit doing it. nothing to write home about is it.
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Old 09-26-2012, 05:33 PM   #51
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I agree Mayweather clearly has accomplished more and thus far has the better career, but I think Ward's win over a Prime Light Heavyweight Champion with tremendous skills Chad Dawson is very impressive and some could argue it was as good a win or better then any in Floyd's career.. Like I said before it would have been more impressive if he did it at 175 though.
dawson was a prime lightheavyweight, but it wasn't at that weight was it. it seven pounds down.
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Old 09-26-2012, 05:34 PM   #52
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Don't know about that, but Ward's overall resume is better.
you're deluded.
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Old 09-26-2012, 05:51 PM   #53
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Floyd's best win is Corrales (because it took place at a time when Corrales was an unbeaten champion with a monster aura and Floyd just destroyed him, and Corrales later went on to have some successes later in his career afterward, proving that Floyd didn't beat a guy near the end of the line.) His second best win is the faded shell of Oscar, only because De La Hoya is the best fighter he's ever fought and it took place above his natural weight. His third best win is the Castillo rematch. He deserves credit for taking an immediate rematch to a fight most people (including me) felt he lost the first time and decisively winning.

Ward beating Dawson was impressive in how dominant it was, but the weight draining puts a bit of a cloud over the performance for me. I still think Ward's run through the Super Six tournament was very impressive though, and better than anything Floyd has put together since leaving 135 pounds.
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Old 09-26-2012, 06:14 PM   #54
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you're deluded.
No, just biased. Now shut the **** up, faggot.
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Old 09-26-2012, 06:33 PM   #55
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that wasn't a close fight, pascal clearly beat him.

who knows if he'd beat pascal in a rematch. he hasn't done it yet, so that means nothing.

dawson beat a man who looked his age... and looked like shit doing it. nothing to write home about is it.
Pascal won the first 3 rounds clearly and everything after that was close, some could even argue that Pascal would have gotten KO'd had it not been for the premature stoppage.

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which was very easy to do as dawson didn't have the strength to throw any punches. the end.
Bullshit bro.. Dawson stopped throwing Punches cause he was getting beaten to the punch badly by stiff jabs and left hooks. The end.

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forget what he could or couldn't do at 175, that's neither here nor there. the fact is it took place at 168 where dawson was weight drained like hell. it meant nothing.
If he could do the same at 175 like most real boxing fans feel he could then the weight drained excuse argument is mute. Personally I thought he should have fought Chad at 175 so their can be no excuses, but I have no doubt it would have ended with the same result.
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Old 09-26-2012, 06:48 PM   #56
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Clearly better:
Genaro
Corrales
Castillo I
Castillo II
Oscar
Hatton
Cotto

Probably better:
Marquez

Close to as good as:
Chavez
Judah
Mosley

Genaro- Debatable

Corrales- Debatable

Castillo I- Had that fight a draw, so theirs no way it's a better win.

Castillo II- Debatable

Oscar- Oscar was a part time fighter and fought respectably so I don't see how that can be a better win then a 10th round TKO over Dawson.

Hatton- Hell no

Cotto- Nah.. Floyd won clearly, but in no way did he dominate.


Marquez- Good win.. But I never thought stylistically JMM ever had a chance to win.


Chavez- C'mon now.. Are u a boxing fan or a Floyd fan?

Judah- FFS everyone in the boxing world knew if u take Judah pass 6 rounds he gases.

Mosley-

Genaro, Corrales and the 2nd Castillo wins were very impressive, but IMO Chad Dawson is a more complete fighter then those guys are.
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Old 09-26-2012, 06:59 PM   #57
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If he could do the same at 175 like most real boxing fans feel he could then the weight drained excuse argument is mute. Personally I thought he should have fought Chad at 175 so their can be no excuses, but I have no doubt it would have ended with the same result.
You think Ward would have hurt him with every punch at 175, dropped him 3 times and had him quit? Where was this power against china chinned Miranda and Allan Green? You realize these dudes get stopped by EVERY contender level guy, except Ward?
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Old 09-26-2012, 07:05 PM   #58
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Mayweather beating Marquez is better than Ward beating Dawson.
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Old 09-26-2012, 07:15 PM   #59
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You think Ward would have hurt him with every punch at 175, dropped him 3 times and had him quit? Where was this power against china chinned Miranda and Allan Green? You realize these dudes get stopped by EVERY contender level guy, except Ward?
Yes I believe he could have.. Against Dawson, Ward was at his very best and looking to put on a show and stop him being that it was his first fight televised by HBO.. Against Miranda and Green he knew he could easily outbox them and didn't need to take any unnecessary chances looking for a KO..

Here, I'll let Nazim Richardson explain it to you......

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLx-dPihFpA&feature=player_embedded[/ame]
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Old 09-26-2012, 07:24 PM   #60
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Default Re: Is Ward's win over Dawson better then any in Floyd's career?

Chad Dawson is an excellent athlete, but as a fighter, sorry, he's not a special fighter among champs. The win over Dawson doesn't warrant anymore attention than the win over Kessler or Froch. May's wins over Castillo, Corrales, even faded ODLH, Cotto, all more impressive to me. And I loved Ward's performance against Dawson.
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