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Old 01-29-2008, 06:14 PM   #76
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Very Untrue ,, boxer have better foot work then mma practitioner and now how to get the most leverage from the floor , then most other martial art practitioner, because thats what box do fight while moving .
Well he would have a point if he was referencing kickboxing or muay thai because throwing kicks on your toes makes it the kick more powerful, less friction when turning it over and you have to be on your toes to block a kick. Of course you know that this is the exact opposite of what boxers do to gain power with their punches by punching flatfooted.

But his point is mute because in MMA you have to sprawl like a wrestler, and its better to be flatfooted with your weight on your front foot in wrestling. MMA is very complex.
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Old 01-29-2008, 06:22 PM   #77
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Not really no , boxer are trained to punch using body weight and coordination, not arm motion . The arm is merely the transporter of power from the floor through the body , through the arm into the target.

muscle mass or beach muscle play little to no role in punching power.
but still that extra padding is dead weight, it slows down the momentum. 4 or 6 ounces might not seem like much but I notice it when Im shadowboxing with and without boxing gloves.

But whatever, we can agree to disagree.
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Old 01-29-2008, 07:21 PM   #78
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I dont know how many of you watched that Figth Science show last night. In the show they measured the strenght of the blows the MMA fighters were throwing at this dummy.
Bas Ruten could exert 900 lbs of pressure on this dummy. After those results they said that thats as hard as a heavyweight boxer punches at.
I asked some people on here last night and someone showed me a link that said Hatton punches at 882. Hatton is no heavy weight or considered to be a one punch knockout type of guy.

Does anyone else know what actually a heavyweight boxer punches at??
That show seemed kind of biased and i refuse to believe those chumps can punch harder than a heavyweight fighter.
Imagine Klitschkos right hand...
**** that Fight SCIENCE SHOW . . . why didn't they put a heavy weight boxer on test too so we can have a conclussion on who hits harder?

It's as simple as that.
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Old 01-29-2008, 07:24 PM   #79
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Hitting a punchbag is one thing.

Trying to land a power shot on someone that trains everyday to avoid em is an entirely different matter.
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Old 01-29-2008, 07:41 PM   #80
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but still that extra padding is dead weight, it slows down the momentum. 4 or 6 ounces might not seem like much but I notice it when Im shadowboxing with and without boxing gloves.

But whatever, we can agree to disagree.
the extra padding is like a roll of quarters and will add to the impact .. and you also have remember boxer spar and work out with 20 and 18 oz gloves so when the fight for real 12, 10 and 8 oz gloves are light and feel like nothing at all. so you can imagine a monster like Klitsco who weight 250 solid no fat and 6'7 feet tall pushing off the ***** of his feet falling into his punch you with 12 oz Gloves on , I doubt if its really going to matter what he hits you with , just long as he doesn't kill you from sheer impact, because that what this boils down to "impact" brute trauma force , the 12 oz gloves allows him to hit you as hard as he humanly can with out breaking his hand on your skull.

but yes we agree to disagree ..
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Old 01-29-2008, 07:43 PM   #81
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Did I post on this thread or am I mistaken?
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Old 01-29-2008, 08:02 PM   #82
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Very Untrue ,, boxer have better foot work then mma practitioner and now how to get the most leverage from the floor , then most other martial art practitioner, because thats what box do fight while moving .

Blows

It is true that boxer are only allowed to punch , but there is a much darker side of boxing that is not talked about . for instance head butt , boxer now how to use the head as a weapon while standing and trading shots . elbows: tyson was very good at missing the left hook in-order to deliver a elbow to the mouth , jaw and throat .
Shoulder : Rocky marciano was also very good at missing the upper cut in order to deliver a shoulder to his opponent chin.

Boxer have a lot of crippling blows they can deliver with other parts of there body don't because it not the nature of the sport , the blows are there , just not talked about.
Boxers have better footwork but they are more stationary. Look at Corrales-Castillo for example, you could not stand there if it was MMA otherwise you would loose your kneecaps or get taken down. Even guys like PBF who dance around the ring now and again sits on the spot to shoulder roll the punches off, works in boxing but wont work in mma where hes legs would get taken out and his opponent would bodyslam him. Toney does it too, pea & Tyson would often weave off punches but again, that wouldnt work in MMA. Its a different sport all together. Ive no doubt boxers are better trained at footwork but mma guys generally have to keep a much more concentrated look at the distance of their legs from their opponents than boxers.
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Old 01-29-2008, 08:38 PM   #83
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**** that Fight SCIENCE SHOW . . . why didn't they put a heavy weight boxer on test too so we can have a conclussion on who hits harder?

It's as simple as that.
They got the heavweight numbers based on an earlier episode as I mentioned previously in this thread. The guy however was an old BUM who had no business representing heavyweight boxers.
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Old 01-29-2008, 10:11 PM   #84
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They got the heavweight numbers based on an earlier episode as I mentioned previously in this thread. The guy however was an old BUM who had no business representing heavyweight boxers.
And that dude from the 1st show wasn't even a heavyweight. He had 3 fights in the jr. middelweight division back in the the mid to late 80s.
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Old 01-29-2008, 10:12 PM   #85
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His name is Stve Petramale btw..

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Old 01-29-2008, 10:17 PM   #86
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Of course this show they get some of the best MMA guys to represent them.
The boxing one they have a no namer.
I would say if they brought Cintron, Pavlik, Miranda or Kessler they would outpunch those MMA guys. and im sure they weigh around 220-250.
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Old 01-29-2008, 10:22 PM   #87
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Those tatted up skate boarders on steroids go into MMA because that is where their kind relate to them and they can have some success and notoriety. None of those people would succeed at boxing. One big striker from MMA, maybe Mighty Mo or someone else, was owned in a 6 round bout against a chunky journeyman with a losing record. You cannot even compare the hand skills of a boxer and MMA. To MMA's credit, there are some very good grappler's and submission artists that would be a nightmare for anyone to deal with. But if an MMA guy tried to stand-up with even a mediocre boxer, he would be looking at the lights.
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Old 01-29-2008, 10:25 PM   #88
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Actually, I remember before the Tyson - Bruno II fight, they measured both fighters punching strength somehow... and Bruno hit surprisingly harder than Iron Mike
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Old 01-29-2008, 10:27 PM   #89
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the extra padding is like a roll of quarters and will add to the impact .. and you also have remember boxer spar and work out with 20 and 18 oz gloves so when the fight for real 12, 10 and 8 oz gloves are light and feel like nothing at all. so you can imagine a monster like Klitsco who weight 250 solid no fat and 6'7 feet tall pushing off the ***** of his feet falling into his punch you with 12 oz Gloves on , I doubt if its really going to matter what he hits you with , just long as he doesn't kill you from sheer impact, because that what this boils down to "impact" brute trauma force , the 12 oz gloves allows him to hit you as hard as he humanly can with out breaking his hand on your skull.

but yes we agree to disagree ..
It would be 10 oz gloves Klitschko would be wearing in a professional fight.
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Old 01-29-2008, 11:29 PM   #90
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Ricky Hatton comes really close to hitting as hard and he weighs a lot loss than Bas Rutten. I think Ricky was 882.
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