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Old 01-29-2008, 10:42 PM   #91
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Those tatted up skate boarders on steroids go into MMA because that is where their kind relate to them and they can have some success and notoriety. None of those people would succeed at boxing. One big striker from MMA, maybe Mighty Mo or someone else, was owned in a 6 round bout against a chunky journeyman with a losing record. You cannot even compare the hand skills of a boxer and MMA. To MMA's credit, there are some very good grappler's and submission artists that would be a nightmare for anyone to deal with. But if an MMA guy tried to stand-up with even a mediocre boxer, he would be looking at the lights.
Mighty Mo beat Francois Botha in a minute.


Btw.. didnt they have Rampage Jackson (UFC LHW Champ) measured at 1800 psi on that show?

im not sure how accurate any of this is.
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Old 01-29-2008, 10:55 PM   #92
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Rampage punching 1800psi cant be right theres no way he comes close to Foreman or even Iron Mike. I saw the show, but if thats the case Foreman is in the upper 3000's
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Old 01-29-2008, 10:57 PM   #93
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theres rampage hitting 1800psi


the whole show seems like cheese
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Old 01-29-2008, 10:57 PM   #94
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Rampage punching 1800psi cant be right theres no way he comes close to Foreman or even Iron Mike. I saw the show, but if thats the case Foreman is in the upper 3000's
I wonder how hard Tyson and Foreman hit. Dang Rampage hits right up there with Ivan Drago.
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Old 01-29-2008, 11:01 PM   #95
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theres rampage hitting 1800psi


the whole show seems like cheese
Don't they also say on that show that 1800psi is the force at which the human skull shatters or something? I just can't believe he hits that hard.
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Old 01-29-2008, 11:02 PM   #96
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Im sure Rampage is a good puncher, but up there with Big George? No F*cking way!!!!!
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Old 01-29-2008, 11:03 PM   #97
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Unless you use the same equipment for everybody, the results aren't going to be that representative of who hits harder.

And most boxers are going to hit harder than most MMA fighters, there might be some freaks like Mighty Mo that punch really hard, but they can't hit anything with regularity.

It's not like power alone is going to make you a KO artist, let alone a good boxer.
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Old 01-30-2008, 12:46 AM   #98
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psi or pounds per square inch is a measure of pressure and not force. if a sumo wrestler puts all his weight behind a punch thereby reducing the area of impact (from the body to the fist) no doubt the damage would be worst than that of Rampage's. Hence, this study is not entirely accurate.
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Old 01-30-2008, 02:07 AM   #99
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psi or pounds per square inch is a measure of pressure and not force. if a sumo wrestler puts all his weight behind a punch thereby reducing the area of impact (from the body to the fist) no doubt the damage would be worst than that of Rampage's. Hence, this study is not entirely accurate.
No. Try again.

The actual weight doesn't actually matter because it isn't moving anything and is being pulled down by gravity not sideway by the object, you wouldn't throw a punch any heavier while having a bunch of weight strapped to your body would you?
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Old 01-30-2008, 02:12 AM   #100
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People from all walks of life can hit like a mule. Boxers don't all hit harder than everyone else just because they are boxers. Boxers are more DANGEROUS punchers, because they have better technique, and know how to set up those power shots to land clean.
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Old 01-30-2008, 02:50 AM   #101
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No. Try again.

The actual weight doesn't actually matter because it isn't moving anything and is being pulled down by gravity not sideway by the object, you wouldn't throw a punch any heavier while having a bunch of weight strapped to your body would you?
You would if you were travelling (sideways) by taking a run up or shifting weight from your back foot to the front foot. This way your entire weight (/mass) is behind your punch. Think of a sumo wrestler throwing a punch whilst charging at you. We are not talking about the effects of gravity. It has little bearing on something that is travelling sideways.

According to the law of physics Force = Mass x acceleration and Pressure = Force/Area. There are 2 ways of throwing a punch with more force i.e. you either accelerate your fist faster or put more mass behind it. The latter is the reason why heavy weights throw harder punches than a light weight. However, if you have smaller fists you could hit something with more pressure if the force is the same.

Newton's Third Law of Physics gives explanation as to why having your feet firmly planted to the ground could increase force i.e. equal and opposition reaction. If you were on ice skates your punches wouldn't be as hard.

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Old 01-30-2008, 03:00 AM   #102
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You would if you were travelling (sideways) by taking a run up. This way your entire weight (/mass) is behind your punch. We are not talking about the effects of gravity. It has little bearing of something that is travelling sideways.

According to the law of physics Force = Mass x acceleration and Pressure = Force/Area. There are 2 ways of throwing a punch with more force i.e. you either accelerate your fist faster or put more mass behind it. The latter is the reason why heavy weights throw harder punches than a light weight. However, if you have smaller fists you could hit something with more pressure if the force is the same.
No, you wouldn't, and nobody is running and jumping to punch. The fact that you have to come up with that situation for it to work in your mind should tell you that youre wrong right away.

The reason Heavyweights throw harder punches is that they are stronger and have more leverage, not because they are heavier. You're equation doesn't work the way you think it does at all. If the punchers hand happened to fall off mid punch, then the heaviest hand would win assuming they are moving at the same speed. The hand however, is attached to a motor (the body) and is not a free moving object.

The "weight" in the equation comes from the force you generate with your muscles, not your body weight. Seriously, think this through. The strength of the punch depends on the speed and the force generated by the body and the hardness of the glove or bare hand. It's why you transfer more force with a lighter (hence harder) glove or no glove at all than with a heavier glove.

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Old 01-30-2008, 03:46 AM   #103
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No, you wouldn't, and nobody is running and jumping to punch. The fact that you have to come up with that situation for it to work in your mind should tell you that youre wrong right away.

The reason Heavyweights throw harder punches is that they are stronger and have more leverage, not because they are heavier. You're equation doesn't work the way you think it does at all. If the punchers hand happened to fall off mid punch, then the heaviest hand would win assuming they are moving at the same speed. The hand however, is attached to a motor (the body) and is not a free moving object.

The "weight" in the equation comes from the force you generate with your muscles, not your body weight. Seriously, think this through. The strength of the punch depends on the speed and the force generated by the body and the hardness of the glove or bare hand. It's why you transfer more force with a lighter (hence harder) glove or no glove at all than with a heavier glove.
I have thought it through and that was why I came up with that explanation. Taking a run up may not be practical in real life situations but I was stating that to reinforce the point of Force = Mass x Acceleration. I know that this formula works. If you honestly believe that punching from a stationary point generates more force than one with some sort of weigh shift then good for you. I differ in opinion. I go with the laws of physics.

Leverage provides acceleration this is why twisting your body helps. Try throwing a straight punch (without using too much effort) whilst shifting weight from your back foot to your front foot and then compare it to just throwing a straight punch (without moving your body) and see for yourself which is harder. If you prefer, which is going to hurt more having a golf ball or a brick thrown at you? Mass when combined with the right technique matters so, you don't have to try and convince me otherwise.
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theres rampage hitting 1800psi


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Agreed.
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Old 01-30-2008, 03:59 AM   #105
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The reason Heavyweights throw harder punches is that they are stronger and have more leverage, not because they are heavier. You're equation doesn't work the way you think it does at all.
Sorry dude, you are only understanding half the equation (Force = Mass x Acceleration). Strength and Leverage generates Acceleration. To increase Force even further Mass has to be part of it and there is a direct correlation between Force and Mass, which you fail to understand.
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