Was Ali a better fighter P4P than Duran (1970s)?

[megavolt]

If there was a p4p rating back then would you say Ali was ranked higher than Duran during the 70's?

Marcel
Buchanan
Thompson
De Jesus
Palomino


vs


Foster
Quarry
Norton
Frazier
Foreman
Shavers




discuss

[Vanboxingfan]

p4p I'd pick Duran. He was certainly technically better.

In the 70's Ali had contriversal wins over Norton, and he started to win many of his fights by force of will and ability to endure punishment as much as anything else. But the Ali in the 60's was a different story, that's a much harder call.

[Skittlez]

Ali in the 70's have regressed quite a bit as compare to the 60's version.
In the 70's he got through a lot of battles based off pure will power and chin.
Some of the guys he struggled with in the 70's, he would have cleaned out during 63-67. His shockingly good reflexes, speed, footwork and work rate was all diminished.

[megavolt]

Originally Posted by Vanboxingfan

p4p I'd pick Duran. He was certainly technically better.

In the 70's Ali had contriversal wins over Norton, and he started to win many of his fights by force of will and ability to endure punishment as much as anything else. But the Ali in the 60's was a different story, that's a much harder call.

Duran DID look better but Ali practically has a who's who of the 70's tatted on his back

The 70's wasn't called the "golden era of heavyweights" for nothing

[Skittlez]

Originally Posted by megavolt

Duran DID look better but Ali practically has a who's who of the 70's tatted on his back

The 70's wasn't called the "golden era of heavyweights" for nothing

You ask who was the better fighter p4p, not who had the better resume.

[megavolt]

Originally Posted by Skittlez

You ask who was the better fighter p4p, not who had the better resume.

Who you fight factors into that-

you can look like GOD in the ring against lesser fighters, (not to insinuate that Duran fought nobodies) but Ali fought more highly rated opposition imo

[Hands of Iron]

Forgot Ernesto Marcel.

[megavolt]

Originally Posted by Hands of Iron

Forgot Ernesto Marcel.

Forgot, thanks- added

[SugarShane_24]

The best fighter of the 70's is a toss-up between Duran and Carlos Monzon.

Both guys are legendary and decimated their respective divisions.

[megavolt]

Don't forget I've also purposefully omitted some other names that are still good from Ali's list- I've only put down the ones that packed the most punch really from both sides

Young
Ellis
Chuvalo


Edit: in fact actually I might just take back Marcel- Marcel was a good win when looking in hindsight, but at the time it's not as potent. Kind of like the Bhop/Roy I situation

[Hands of Iron]

Kobayashi
Lampkin
Viruet

[Hands of Iron]

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[megavolt]

Originally Posted by Hands of Iron

Kobayashi
Lampkin
Viruet

The first two I can consider, but Viruet?

And again, I'm really only pitting the top wins against each other, these lesser wins aren't as relevant so there isnt much to change in the OP

[Godsavethequeen]

P4P is used to weigh up how someone from a different weight division compares. And as Duran was fighting at Lightweight to Welter in the 70s there was no way Ali and him were gonna meet in the middle to fight, so we have to use their records/performance etc. All I can say is Duran was a Warrior but in the 70s there was not the fighters with records like we have today, the same can be said for SRL and Hagler. But as Duran was the one who moved up in weight over the years I give him the Nod above SRL and Hagler.
As for Ali, well in the 70s he fought the who's who of boxing. The Heavyweight division was crammed with great opponents ( Foreman, Frazier, Norton, Lyle and Quarry these guys fought each other and are well known to most boxing fans ) I would of liked to of seen Holmes on Ali's record win or loss.
So I guess by that Ali wins best of the 70s against Duran. But Duran for me P4P because of the divisions he went through and the people he fought win or loss

[JMP]

No, Duran was the fighter of the 1970s, a more effective fighter, a more dominant fighter, and a more skilled operator IMO. That's really saying something, too, considering Ali's brilliance.