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View Poll Results: 70's: Ali>Duran?
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Old 09-30-2012, 11:28 PM   #16
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The best fighter of the 70's is a toss-up between Duran and Carlos Monzon.

Both guys are legendary and decimated their respective divisions.
I favour Monzon out of all of them but Ali and Duran could definitely make a case.
As could Arguello and Wilfredo Gomez.
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Old 09-30-2012, 11:32 PM   #17
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No, Duran was the fighter of the 1970s, a more effective fighter, a more dominant fighter, and a more skilled operator IMO. That's really saying something, too, considering Ali's brilliance.
Yeah, he's like God.

So: DeJesus III, Palomino or SRL I?

I believe '78 Duran in the uni fight with Esteban to be the greatest H2H lightweight ever.
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Old 09-30-2012, 11:35 PM   #18
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Duran was pretty clearly the best fighter in the 70's.
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Old 09-30-2012, 11:37 PM   #19
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Yeah, he's like God.

So: DeJesus III, Palomino or SRL I?

I believe '78 Duran in the uni fight with Esteban to be the greatest H2H lightweight ever.
Ray leonard 1 happened in 1980 therefore shouldnt be taken into consideration for judging the best boxer of the 70's so its strictly his lightweight career.
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Old 09-30-2012, 11:38 PM   #20
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Ray leonard 1 happened in 1980 therefore shouldnt be taken into consideration for judging the best boxer of the 70's so its strictly his lightweight career.
Palomino was at 147.

Thanks Julien, I was just asking JMP a question unrelated to the topic.
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Old 09-30-2012, 11:42 PM   #21
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They are both the GOATs in their respective weight classes (Heavyweight and Lightweight), Ali is better p4p but it's close as hell.
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Old 09-30-2012, 11:43 PM   #22
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Palomino was at 147.

Thanks Julien, I was just asking JMP a question unrelated to the topic.
I didnt mean to come of as critisizing by the way, I do pick Duran over Ali for the 70's to be fair but I dont like how monzon is often overlooked,so thats why I kind of keep mentioning him in threads like these.
I guarantee that if you make a poll featuring these 3 guys monzon will be at the bottom of the list with a big difference in votes which is in my opinion unfair and based on popularity of the boxers, since anyone that looks at it fairly can see has as much of a case as duran and maybe even more than Ali
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Old 09-30-2012, 11:48 PM   #23
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Have Monzon a close second. There's been threads like these in classic where he's only getting love from red cobra and myself. Probably the greatest middleweight champion ever.
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Old 09-30-2012, 11:56 PM   #24
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Yeah, he's like God.

So: DeJesus III, Palomino or SRL I?

I believe '78 Duran in the uni fight with Esteban to be the greatest H2H lightweight ever.
Hmmm....Leonard I, just based off of level of competition. But wow, tough choice. I love his second performance against De Jesus as well. Watching his fights from 1970-1980, you really see how he developed over the course of the 10 years.

It's kind of funny when people say Duran wasn't the same at welterweight when two of his very best performances came in that weight class against future hall of famers.
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Hmmm....Leonard I, just based off of level of competition. But wow, tough choice. I love his second performance against De Jesus as well. Watching his fights from 1970-1980, you really see how he developed over the course of the 10 years.

It's kind of funny when people say Duran wasn't the same at welterweight when two of his very best performances came in that weight class against future hall of famers.
Almost a completely different fighter, without any of the ferocity lost. Just an extremely educated pressure fighter, great use of his jab by that point, a mastery of feinting, very economical effective footwork; ability to slip, roll and counter shots with scary accuracy... It really pisses me off when people either only watch 80s Duran and determine he's overrated or very early 70s Duran and categorize him as a brawler.
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Old 10-01-2012, 12:30 AM   #26
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Good discussion going on-

The premise behind this thread is that I read a quote from Ali himself that he was glad that Duran was only a lightweight.

I have it pretty close but Ali had more names available for him to prove himself with, albeit with not as much showmanship as we'd like-
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Old 10-01-2012, 01:01 AM   #27
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two of my favourite boxers ever, in the 70s duran was a better fighter than Ali (all though ali's resume was better during that time frame). 1960s Ali was better than both versions of duran and 70s ali.

in the 70s I rank the top 3 fighters skillwise 1) duran 2) Ali 3) monzon
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1) Duran
2) Monzon
3) Ali
4) Napoles
5) Arguello
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Old 10-01-2012, 04:53 AM   #29
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Ali's opposition was much much better in the 1970s. How can anyone say different. When Duran moved up in competition is when he moved up in weight, so he gets excuses for losing to greats fighters regardless that he was moving up in level of fighters.
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Ali's opposition was much much better in the 1970s. How can anyone say different. When Duran moved up in competition is when he moved up in weight, so he gets excuses for losing to greats fighters regardless that he was moving up in level of fighters.
It only counts when he won. Deal with it.
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