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Old 10-02-2012, 04:10 AM   #16
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1 wlad

2 vitali

3 haye
....................huge gap

4 who cares
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Old 10-02-2012, 04:59 AM   #17
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Really silly list. No Averagemek, but you have guys like mitchell, fury, halenius, chambers, pulev, solis? Clearly you have no idea what the **** you are writting about. Mitchell is nobody, would get ****ed up by guys like Szpilka or Wach and prolly many more, pulev's most significant win is against a guy who never won with any good boxer, helenius lost with chisora (who has like 3 losses in his last 5 fights), solis is just a fat disgrace- got knocked out by the first punch that conected from vitali in the 1 (!) round.
Fury's best win is against fat and unprepaired chisora, other than that he has practically done nothing compared to adamek, and chambers just lost not so far ago to adamek.
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Old 10-02-2012, 05:03 AM   #18
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Pretty good list in my opinion!

Mitchell should not be included though as others have said.

Price should probably be in but it is very early on in his career.

Adamek definitely should be in, and so should Chagaev.

Haye should be much lower as we don't know he would do against an elite HW [WK apart]

Maybe Charr should be in, but until he fights a top HW [not the K bros who are way to good] insufficient data for him to.
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Old 10-02-2012, 09:03 AM   #19
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Nice, but:

- Povetkin goes over Pulev
- Fury and Mitchell replaced by Adamek and Arreola.
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Old 10-02-2012, 09:07 AM   #20
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Haye will murder Wlad.
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Old 10-02-2012, 09:11 AM   #21
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David Price beats Tyson Fury.
Agree.
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Old 10-02-2012, 09:15 AM   #22
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Chisora gives anyone in the top10 a tough fight & deserves a mention
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Old 10-02-2012, 09:24 AM   #23
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I have a hard time rating any of these guys, honestly. Their opposition is so poor that I struggle to know what to think of them. Pulev is the latest guy to be rated, yet he's only fought Dimitrenko and Ustinov, two atrocious fighters. Maybe Pulev is good, maybe he isn't, I don't know. The heavyweight division has been full of guys in the top 20 in the last decade who have been really poor fighters so when they get beaten, it's not always an indication that the guy who beat them is any good himself. You don't have to be a 'good' fighter to beat a 'poor' one, you only have to be better than 'poor'.
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Old 10-02-2012, 09:36 AM   #24
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I have a hard time rating any of these guys, honestly. Their opposition is so poor that I struggle to know what to think of them. Pulev is the latest guy to be rated, yet he's only fought Dimitrenko and Ustinov, two atrocious fighters. Maybe Pulev is good, maybe he isn't, I don't know. The heavyweight division has been full of guys in the top 20 in the last decade who have been really poor fighters so when they get beaten, it's not always an indication that the guy who beat them is any good himself. You don't have to be a 'good' fighter to beat a 'poor' one, you only have to be better than 'poor'.
Even Henry Cooper managed to make it into The Ring's yearly top 10 on 7 (SEVEN) separate occasions during 'the Golden era' so it's not unusual for ordinary fighters to make it high in the rankings.

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Old 10-02-2012, 10:11 AM   #25
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Even Henry Cooper managed to make it into The Ring's yearly top 10 on 7 (SEVEN) separate occasions during 'the Golden era' so it's not unusual for ordinary fighters to make it high in the rankings.
And how long did Chuvalo manage to stay in the top 10?
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Old 10-02-2012, 10:19 AM   #27
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1 wlad

2 vitali

3 haye
....................huge gap

4 who cares

Other that his generous MD against Valuev, Haye shares his best win at heavyweight with Tyson Fury in Chisora.

How about him fighting legit top 10 contenders to prove he's the best of the crop not named Klitchko ?
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Old 10-02-2012, 11:28 AM   #28
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1. Wladimir Klitschko- An ATG. Tremendous jab, two fisted knockout power, great defense, textbook world class skills, very strong.

2. Vitali Klitschko- Very good fighter. A giant, Unorthodox, high workrate, good finisher, crafty defense, very good chin.

3. David Haye- Fantastic blend of handspeed and brutal power in both hands, dangerous finisher, great head movement, good counterpuncher, in great physical condition.

4. Kubrat Pulev- physically strong, world class jab, intelligent, very good attrition power, good stamina.

5. Alexander Povetkin- Good fundamentals, good skills, good combination puncher, ring savvy, good workrate, good chin

6. Odlanier Solis- extremely talented/gifted, elite skills/movement, good combinations, stiff jab, terrific footwork

7. Eddie Chambers- Very slick, terrific skills on defense, top notch footwork/upperbody movement, fast handspeed

8. Robert Helenius- Tremendous puncher, one of the scariest finishers we have seen, physically tough, good size.

9. Tyson Fury- A giant, talented, good skills, good puncher, good workate, very strong

10. Seth Mitchell- Hard puncher, aggressive, physically strong, big heart, good physical condition.



Tomasz Averagemek does not make my list because despite being a great warrior, he is not a world class fighter.

Arreola does not make my list because he has an embarassing loss to tomasz averagemek.
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Old 10-02-2012, 11:39 AM   #29
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Even Henry Cooper managed to make it into The Ring's yearly top 10 on 7 (SEVEN) separate occasions during 'the Golden era' so it's not unusual for ordinary fighters to make it high in the rankings.
Cooper wasn't a bad fighter though. Far better than the likes of Dimitrenko and Ustinov.
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Old 10-02-2012, 11:51 AM   #30
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Adamek is not even the best polish heavy!....That belongs to the useless wach.....and adamek is 3rd behind the equally useless spzilka...its a tie between adamek & soznowski,even though soznowski did not embarrass his countryman against vitali like averagemek did.
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