Overly-muscled boxers - Page 5

dealt_with · 10-02-2012, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Brickhaus

More muscle uses more oxygen, period. A guy with more muscle needs to do more to have better endurance. It's simple biology.

No it's not, muscle is capillarised and holds stores of haemoglobin, glycogen and creatine to power it when it needs it. Your stroke volume (central) doesn't provide all the oxygen, there are peripheral (muscle) adaptations from training. More muscle improves your stamina if it was built with your sport in mind.

Skilletscuz · 10-03-2012, 12:15 AM

ok, to make this clear - we're all sounding like retards to a degree, considering 85% dont specialize in this field, and another 14% THINKS they do. I guess the other possible 1% will specialize...

Supporting Brikhaus - its rather common knowledge that the MORE lean muscle you have, more energy/oxygen it is required to support those active functions. If this was NOT the case, we'd have a bunch of hurking big fighters out there. Understand, that'd be good for a 3-5 round sport, but this is a 10-12 round sport at the apex.

Dealt With covers this a bit, but its not about MORE, but about adapting the muscles to the function. Great example are endurance athletes (marathon runners/bicyclists), you definitely have a HIGH amount of endurance, with low muscle mass, for a multitude of reasons. Whatever the case, rarely do you see MORE muscle mass vs LESS muscle mass winning those races requiring a high amount of endurance.

Professional road cycling can be compared to boxing. Theres different type of cyclists suited or different type of feats/jobs. You have skinny man A who has massively big legs. These are the sprinters, they flail in the climbs/hills. But they generate alot of burst power to finish races in the flat races. You have skinny man B who has skinny legs. These are generally the climbers, they flail in the flat races, cuz they cannot generate alot of burst power thats needed. But they can do a high amount of repetition on a very low gear setting to continuously and climb a hill. (ok, this is a bad generalization and i acknowledge there are prob about 5-8 types of racers)

You can compare this to the physicality of boxers in general. Big powerful brutish guys are good for burst power and damage but only for a few rounds. Where leaner built fighters can go for 12 rounds fairly. Most seem to go as lean as they can, while tryiing to maintain a vast degree of their power. Depending on one's weight, they may look to bulk up more of course.

Skilletscuz · 10-03-2012, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by aramini

When you have been hit by a variety of guys, you realize very quickly that there is practically NO correlation between muscular appearance and actual punching power. Low body fat might be an indication of relative fitness for that individual, and a short stocky guy might very well be hard to push around, but you can get KTFO by a guy that looks like sugar ray leonard or Erik Morales and laugh as a guy that resembles prime Mosley or Bradley (but not the real Mosley, of course) has punches that just bounce off you.

Aye, body make-up can be VERY DECEIVING. Just because a guy looks big, doesnt means he's actually powerful. And sometimes he's much weaker than expected. And vice versa. Skinny guys can have hidden power, aka "wirey". Thomas Hearns. Athletically gifted.

A good many times ive wrestled guys bigger and stronger-looking than me, and end up just manhandling them on the ground. Same thing in wrist-wrestling...

megavolt · 10-03-2012, 12:28 AM

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KidDynamite · 10-03-2012, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by dealt_with

No it's not, muscle is capillarised and holds stores of haemoglobin, glycogen and creatine to power it when it needs it. Your stroke volume (central) doesn't provide all the oxygen, there are peripheral (muscle) adaptations from training. More muscle improves your stamina if it was built with your sport in mind.

thats only fast twitch muscle ... and they are exhausted after a short time of activity after the glycogen reserves are depleted

so yes you need greater supplies of oxygen to fuel larger muscle mass

Butch Coolidge · 10-03-2012, 12:42 AM

Many of these overly-muscled fighters would look kind of on the skinny side if you met them in person and they were wearing street clothes.

I think a fighter who has the build of a powerlifter is most likely in the wrong sport or training entirely wrong. Briggs and Rahman looked too much like powerlifters or football players and I think both of them were hindered by being too muscular in a couple of fights.

bballchump11 · 10-03-2012, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Butch Coolidge

Many of these overly-muscled fighters would look kind of on the skinny side if you met them in person and they were wearing street clothes.
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that's very true. People do the same thing of me

Hermit · 10-03-2012, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Forza

the problem with jones is he didn't have the lower body (core, thighs, legs) to match his upper body. He always had skinny little tooth pick legs, I guess that's what happens when you put muscle on a middle weight frame

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/spor...y_jones_jr.jpg

It's what happens when you put on muscle to look good instead of fight good.

Hermit · 10-03-2012, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by devon

Mike Tyson post-prison just check out the difference

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Ernie Shavers worked out a lot in prison. I don't know if he boxed there. After seeing him people began to call for banning weights in prison cuz they were afraid of more Ernie Shavers out on the street jacking up the general public.

Bazzel · 10-03-2012, 01:19 AM

Jean Pascal has terrible stamina.
With Bruno I dont know if it was the muscle or the inabillity to relax in the ring.

dyna · 10-03-2012, 01:21 AM

Louis Monaco in his first pro fights, guy was an ex mr universe.

10-03-2012, 12:15 AM	#62
Skilletscuz mma champ Ronda Rousey ESB Addict Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Fighting emo retards with logic Posts: 2,856 vCash: 75	Re: Overly-muscled boxers ok, to make this clear - we're all sounding like retards to a degree, considering 85% dont specialize in this field, and another 14% THINKS they do. I guess the other possible 1% will specialize... Supporting Brikhaus - its rather common knowledge that the MORE lean muscle you have, more energy/oxygen it is required to support those active functions. If this was NOT the case, we'd have a bunch of hurking big fighters out there. Understand, that'd be good for a 3-5 round sport, but this is a 10-12 round sport at the apex. Dealt With covers this a bit, but its not about MORE, but about adapting the muscles to the function. Great example are endurance athletes (marathon runners/bicyclists), you definitely have a HIGH amount of endurance, with low muscle mass, for a multitude of reasons. Whatever the case, rarely do you see MORE muscle mass vs LESS muscle mass winning those races requiring a high amount of endurance. Professional road cycling can be compared to boxing. Theres different type of cyclists suited or different type of feats/jobs. You have skinny man A who has massively big legs. These are the sprinters, they flail in the climbs/hills. But they generate alot of burst power to finish races in the flat races. You have skinny man B who has skinny legs. These are generally the climbers, they flail in the flat races, cuz they cannot generate alot of burst power thats needed. But they can do a high amount of repetition on a very low gear setting to continuously and climb a hill. (ok, this is a bad generalization and i acknowledge there are prob about 5-8 types of racers) You can compare this to the physicality of boxers in general. Big powerful brutish guys are good for burst power and damage but only for a few rounds. Where leaner built fighters can go for 12 rounds fairly. Most seem to go as lean as they can, while tryiing to maintain a vast degree of their power. Depending on one's weight, they may look to bulk up more of course.
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10-03-2012, 12:28 AM	#64
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10-03-2012, 12:42 AM	#66
Butch Coolidge Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: surrounded by stupid rednecks Posts: 4,625 vCash: 1000	Re: Overly-muscled boxers Many of these overly-muscled fighters would look kind of on the skinny side if you met them in person and they were wearing street clothes. I think a fighter who has the build of a powerlifter is most likely in the wrong sport or training entirely wrong. Briggs and Rahman looked too much like powerlifters or football players and I think both of them were hindered by being too muscular in a couple of fights.
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Bazzel jabbin an grabbin ESB Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 623 vCash: 500	Re: Overly-muscled boxers Jean Pascal has terrible stamina. With Bruno I dont know if it was the muscle or the inabillity to relax in the ring.
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dyna Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 4,599 vCash: 1551	Re: Overly-muscled boxers Louis Monaco in his first pro fights, guy was an ex mr universe.
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