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Old 10-14-2012, 07:27 AM   #1
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Default Echo Arena, not a safe venue.

Hi ESB,

Let's rewind back to Cleverly v Bellew at the echo where many Brit Forum faithful all attended to see this fight. During the fight I personally witness 4 independent fights and one of those was a huge row just like last night. The trouble was everywhere and people were pissing in sinks and sniffing coke off backs of hands in the mens. Just a crazy night and a few threads were made talking about it all. I was challenged and people said it was down to there being a football match before fight and people were drinking all day as the main reason but I'm of the opinion that if you're drunk you don't gain entry.

It's not good for image of boxing and its not good to casual fans who turned up for the fight that may have been scared off.

I believe the venue should cease being used unless Alcohol stops being served within venue and a last entry gate enforced at say 8pm. It would stop the louts that gets smashed all day and roll in for main events. They show no respect to undercard fighters or the Anwar v Miles fight and they certainly stole the show during the Mcphillbin v Dickinson fight.

How long before a tragedy occurs and boxing gets pelted for what really is avoidable. If things carry on as they are its imminent imo.

Thoughts?
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Old 10-14-2012, 07:33 AM   #2
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Don't say that, I couldn't go otherwise!
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Old 10-14-2012, 09:26 AM   #3
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true but money rules, and until several complaints are made I guess, booze will be sold!
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Old 10-14-2012, 09:36 AM   #4
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Ive travelled everywhere watching boxing, im a Liverpool lad myself, but .................. the Liverpool Echo Arena is a terrible terrible place to visit to watch a fight

And the reason, scousers !!!, not all but i have to admit, its a ****ing large number, the lad who started this thread seems genuinely shocked at what goes on, but thats Liverpool, the problem here being is that when you have so many scousers under 1 roof, its just everything we/they (not me personally) do, on a much larger scale, which can bread a disaster

It embarrasses me to admit im from Liverpool when things like this come up, it really does

My first fight at the Echo was Dodson Quigley, which wasnt too bad actually, my 2nd was Quigley Smith which was the definitive worst experience id had as a paying fan watching pro boxing, and it was my own people doing all the shit the TS has stated goes on !!!, its wrong, but im not sure what can be done about it, if i was an outsider coming into Liverpool i just wouldnt go, disgraceful but its a fact of life unfortunately
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Old 10-14-2012, 09:39 AM   #5
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Interesting thread Brum. I really don't see how a fight like Fury/Price could ever happen safely, Liverpool or not, but especially in Liverpool. It's a massive concern about that fight, as much as its a great matchup and would create a huge buzz, the after effects of the warzone it would become would overshadow all.

Drink in boxing is a massive problem, IMO. Even on the average card recently I've seen people becoming Rocky after coming in a little drunk and hitting the plastic cups hard so add in a little rivalry to proceedings and its not good. Not good at all.

The problem is they don't wanna do away with the drink because for a lot of people its about a lot more than the boxing, its a night out, its an event. You can tell this by the number of idiots going to order drinks during significant undercard bouts, and the way the arena is deserted if theres anything after the main event.
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Old 10-14-2012, 10:27 AM   #6
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What happened in the crowd during the dicco mcphilbin fight?
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Old 10-14-2012, 10:43 AM   #7
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I was a couple rows above from where it kicked off in the lower tier in the last round of the dickinson vs mcphilbin fight, the security shit themselves until the police showed up. Don't how it started but it turned into a brawl i think somebody got knocked out.
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Hi ESB,

Let's rewind back to Cleverly v Bellew at the echo where many Brit Forum faithful all attended to see this fight. During the fight I personally witness 4 independent fights and one of those was a huge row just like last night. The trouble was everywhere and . Just a crazy night and a few threads were made talking about it all. I was challenged and people said it was down to there being a football match before fight and people were drinking all day as the main reason but I'm of the opinion that if you're drunk you don't gain entry.

It's not good for image of boxing and its not good to casual fans who turned up for the fight that may have been scared off.

I believe the venue should cease being used unless Alcohol stops being served within venue and a last entry gate enforced at say 8pm. It would stop the louts that gets smashed all day and roll in for main events. They show no respect to undercard fighters or the Anwar v Miles fight and they certainly stole the show during the Mcphillbin v Dickinson fight.

How long before a tragedy occurs and boxing gets pelted for what really is avoidable. If things carry on as they are its imminent imo.

Thoughts?
Sounds pretty bad.

If I go and watch boxing I go with my old man, who's not particularly into it but goes along as he knows I love it and he treats it as an event - if he saw that going on I know he wouldn't go with me again.

The sport is an art, to me to think you can only take mates or people who are happy to see that sort of thing going on is a great shame.
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Old 10-14-2012, 11:07 AM   #9
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Did something kick off during the Eubank fight too? Looked like twenty or so big guys jogging across the place, not sure if it was trouble or not.

I don't think the tv team needed to give the trouble as much air time as they did, I found myself trying to spot crowd trouble. Personally think its embarrassing fighting over area codes or football teams, just grow up. My gf got me tickets for a Mitchell fight a while back so I took her, she doesn't like boxing and mini fights kicking off all over didn't help.
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Old 10-14-2012, 11:16 AM   #10
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Most fights in this country I wouldn't even consider going to. I'm actually interested in watching a boxing match, not being surrounded by loutish casual fans interested in being aggressive obnoxious dicks. Boxing has the best and worst fans on the planet.
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Old 10-14-2012, 11:21 AM   #11
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Any show I've been to in London I've never had any problems.

Although I know there was a lot of trouble after Mitchell Katsidis but I didnt go to that one
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Old 10-14-2012, 11:25 AM   #12
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Interesting thread Brum. I really don't see how a fight like Fury/Price could ever happen safely, Liverpool or not, but especially in Liverpool. It's a massive concern about that fight, as much as its a great matchup and would create a huge buzz, the after effects of the warzone it would become would overshadow all.

Drink in boxing is a massive problem, IMO. Even on the average card recently I've seen people becoming Rocky after coming in a little drunk and hitting the plastic cups hard so add in a little rivalry to proceedings and its not good. Not good at all.

The problem is they don't wanna do away with the drink because for a lot of people its about a lot more than the boxing, its a night out, its an event. You can tell this by the number of idiots going to order drinks during significant undercard bouts, and the way the arena is deserted if theres anything after the main event.
I think there'd have to be some segregation if there was a Fury/Price fight. There's no way you get could get Mancs/gypsies and scousers drinking for hours without a massive problem. Give both fighters 50% allocation and the fans get to buy the tickets of the fighter they're supporting. If that didn't happen, things would kick off massively. There'd still be problems even if they did do that but the idea of having groups of opposing fans sat next to each other for a big fight is insanity.

Security outside is a big issue as well. There's no doubt that there'd be trouble. **** knows how much it'd cost the promoters to secure the event.

Personally, I'd love to be there for Price/Fury but I'm just a boxing fan. I have no interest in going to one of these events when the threat of violence is so high. Something like Bowe/Golota is a genuine possibility and that's enough to put me off. **** that. I'm not scared, because nothing would happen to me, but I just couldn't be doing with the distraction.
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Old 10-14-2012, 11:33 AM   #13
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Default Re: Echo Arena, not a safe venue.

I'd stay away from that fight, personally.

You just know it'd kick off.

Saying that they'd surely impose a booze ban in the arena.... might even close the pubs.

Some of Fury's fans are grade A* scumbags, throw in some pissed up Scousers and it's going to be eventful.

There'll be football hooligans everywhere.

One group will be chanting ''who's that dying on the runway'' and the other will be chanting ''murderers, murderers, murderers''

Think I'll watch this one from the comfort of my own sofa, thanks very much
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Old 10-14-2012, 11:39 AM   #14
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Didn't see the broadcast last night but so far I have been to Nottingham for the Froch/Bute fight and the Bellew/Miranda fight in London. The people of Nottingham were great company and the Romanian fans were friendly and gave good banter, didn't see any trouble in london either.

I'll be going up to Manchester for the Hatton comeback, should I be expecting trouble?

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Old 10-14-2012, 11:43 AM   #15
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You'd just get the hooligans buying from the opposing side. A lot of these folk just go for a fight. It's not an accident.
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