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Old 01-30-2008, 05:37 PM   #46
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i dont know if this thread is sarcasm or not but all i saw in this video was Ring Entrances and showboating.
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Old 01-30-2008, 05:38 PM   #47
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Yo-- I was being sarcastic about him being over-rated.

What I mean is that he had talent, skills, ability, heart, and was a dominant champ for many years.
in that case you picked the wrong video to prove the haters wrong
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Old 01-30-2008, 05:55 PM   #48
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I don't care if he was over-rated. He was fantastic to watch, I'd rarther watch an entertaining fighter, than an unstoppable boring figher.
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Old 01-30-2008, 06:14 PM   #49
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I don't care if he was over-rated. He was fantastic to watch, I'd rarther watch an entertaining fighter, than an unstoppable boring figher.
Is that a Soccer guy in your avatar? Apply your reasons to watch Hamed to a sport like Soccer.
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Old 01-30-2008, 06:21 PM   #50
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Yeah he was talented, but the difference between this video and a Mayweather highlight is that when you watch the Mayweather highlight you keep saying "Hey theres Chico, hey theres Chickenito, hey theres Zab, Gatti.", and so on. When you watch the Hamed video, you don't get any of that. You might say "Hey theres Kelley!", but the next one would have to be "Hey theres Barrera!" and that would be the END OF THE ****ING VIDEO.
That's cause your to stupid to know all the good fighters Naz fought.
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Old 01-30-2008, 07:02 PM   #51
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in that case you picked the wrong video to prove the haters wrong
Er, how so? You don't think that the video shows:

'talent, skills, ability, heart, and was a dominant champ' ?

You clearly see a ridiculous amount of talent/skills/ability in the form of (firstly) his frightening punching power (the vid showcases quite a few knockouts or knockdowns) as well as his speed of hands and feet (which can be seen in clips such as his chain punching of that guy on the ropes, or dancing around another one dodging every shot while jabbing him, or easily weaving away from Robinson's attacks) and you see his heart in the Kelley clips, because he had to get up from the canvas more than once to knock Kelley down so many times. The clips show domination. Just because he's showboating WHILE dominating doesn't somehow erase the fact that he's showing impressive physical gifts. So yes, everything that Stone_Roberto mentioned is in that video. Saying that the video only had 'ring entrances and showboating' is plain silly. Yes, there was a lot of attention devoted to those things -- after all, this IS a Naseem highlight, and to leave those things out would be criminal -- but there was a lot of impressive stuff that accompanied them. It's still a showcase of boxing, not just flashy entrances.

I'm not saying Naseem was an ATG or a legend, but he did have a hell of a lot of talent, and the video does in fact showcase what Roberto was talking about.
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Old 01-30-2008, 07:09 PM   #52
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I think Naz was an amazing talent. Unfortunately after leaving Brendan Ingle he seemed to lose he hunger, stopped training properly and arrogantly tried to rely on his KO power.

It's a very sad story about potentially the most talented fighter Britain has ever produced.
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Old 01-30-2008, 07:36 PM   #53
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Er, how so? You don't think that the video shows:

'talent, skills, ability, heart, and was a dominant champ' ?

You clearly see a ridiculous amount of talent/skills/ability in the form of (firstly) his frightening punching power (the vid showcases quite a few knockouts or knockdowns) as well as his speed of hands and feet (which can be seen in clips such as his chain punching of that guy on the ropes, or dancing around another one dodging every shot while jabbing him, or easily weaving away from Robinson's attacks) and you see his heart in the Kelley clips, because he had to get up from the canvas more than once to knock Kelley down so many times. The clips show domination. Just because he's showboating WHILE dominating doesn't somehow erase the fact that he's showing impressive physical gifts. So yes, everything that Stone_Roberto mentioned is in that video. Saying that the video only had 'ring entrances and showboating' is plain silly. Yes, there was a lot of attention devoted to those things -- after all, this IS a Naseem highlight, and to leave those things out would be criminal -- but there was a lot of impressive stuff that accompanied them. It's still a showcase of boxing, not just flashy entrances.

I'm not saying Naseem was an ATG or a legend, but he did have a hell of a lot of talent, and the video does in fact showcase what Roberto was talking about.

you saw what you wanted to see, like i said all i saw was ring entrances and showboating with a few glimpses of KOs that not show a hint of the speed you are saying.
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Old 01-30-2008, 07:38 PM   #54
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you saw what you wanted to see, like i said all i saw was ring entrances and showboating with a few glimpses of KOs that not show a hint of the speed you are saying.
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Old 01-30-2008, 07:54 PM   #55
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One of my fav fighters. He was entertaining and in his prime would have been a problem for anyone not a masterboxer. Good thing he didnt get in there with JMM when there was talks of it.
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Old 01-30-2008, 08:57 PM   #56
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One of my fav fighters. He was entertaining and in his prime would have been a problem for anyone not a masterboxer. Good thing he didnt get in there with JMM when there was talks of it.
He avoided espinosa like the plague as well. Whats so mysterious about Naz is that he seem to have avoided alot of top tier fighters

heres a sample of Hameds hypocrisy in avoiding JMM


How about Juan Manuel Marquez? Marquez came out of the blue, in the sense he never fought anybody of any credibility or stature. He needed to prove himself and that he was rated fairly by the WBO. The first time he fought anyone of note, Norwood, he lost.
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Old 01-30-2008, 11:24 PM   #57
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Hamed's hit list includes:

Vasquez (37, but still the reigning WBA champion)
Johnson (long reigning IBF champion)
Kelley (once beated former champion)
Medina (multi-time titlist who win go on to win titles on sveral oocasions)
McCoullaugh (granit chinned bantamweight titlist who was defeated far more easily than he was against Morales)
Ingle (future IBF titleholder)
Bungu (long reigning titlist at 122lbs)
Soto (reigning WBC titlist)

Pretty good resume, all things considered. Hamed may be overrated in a h2h sense, but his accomplishments at 126lbs are underrated, because he was pretty dominant against solid opposition in the 90's.
spot on.....
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Old 01-31-2008, 12:55 PM   #58
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what in nipples name are you talking about?

how would you know the in's and out's of my views on hamed?

hamed was a very good fighter who unified and dominated the FW division over a good six year period. HOF fame material and one of the finest fighters the UK has exported over the past 15-20 years.

it's amazing how peoples sense of reason goes completely out of the window when hamed's name comes up. they can never separate the boxer from the man.

Plug in and LISTEN.......

Hamed's resume is way overrated Nothing to do with his personality. EXAMINE THE RECORD'S of hamed's 'great" wins. When you do? You see that most of the guy's they beat, HAD FEW QUALITY WINS!! They fought mostly stiff's. You're touting wins over guy's who are being OVER RATED for the comparison.

So do you value the number or the meaning behind it??

CHECK IT OUT.......IT ALL CAME TRUE.......FIRST ELITE Fighter he faced. His game was LIMITED. So while he did have excellent power for that weight? It takes more than that against the top guy's
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Old 01-31-2008, 02:36 PM   #59
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That's cause your to stupid to know all the good fighters Naz fought.
Bingo. Ive already posted the list on here too many times to go through it again...he fought a bunch of damn good fighters and champions.
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Old 01-31-2008, 02:42 PM   #60
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He avoided espinosa like the plague as well. Whats so mysterious about Naz is that he seem to have avoided alot of top tier fighters

heres a sample of Hameds hypocrisy in avoiding JMM


How about Juan Manuel Marquez? Marquez came out of the blue, in the sense he never fought anybody of any credibility or stature. He needed to prove himself and that he was rated fairly by the WBO. The first time he fought anyone of note, Norwood, he lost.
If espinosa wanted a fight then he shouldve beaten Soto and Sanchez, two Hamed victims.

And Norwood for that matter was a paper titlist, who beat Marquez. Taking a title that was rightfully won by Hamed b/c of the usual politics.

Marquez was offered a fight, he rejected it and went for the easier title...and lost...when have we seen that before from Marquez? He was a nobody at that point.
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