Jack Johnson & Harry Wills assessment of Joe Louis in early 1936

Cmoyle · 10-09-2012, 06:42 PM

Thought this might be of interest to many here:

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ripcity · 10-10-2012, 12:57 AM

Looks interesting. I'll read it in full latter.

Seamus · 10-10-2012, 02:33 AM

Wow. Fucking Wow.

Did Wills see that coming with precise vision? A counter-puncher and naming Schmeling as the hardest hitter in the division to boot.

Great find.

mcvey · 10-10-2012, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Cmoyle

Thought this might be of interest to many here:

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This is truly wonderful inside information, many ,many thanks for sharing it with us.

I've always thought that Dempsey would get to Louis early and stop him ,and Wills agrees.

Of course we are talking about the young Louis here , a talented phenomenom ,not the seasoned champion he became.
As events unfolded, Johnson's and Wills opinions were validated when Schmeling countered over Joe's low left with his right cross.
I don't know if Wills bet on Schmeling, but Johnson made a bundle.

PhillyPhan69 · 10-10-2012, 03:06 AM

Cool read...thanks

Flea Man · 10-10-2012, 04:00 AM

No way did Baer nearly have Louis out of there though!

TheSouthpaw · 10-10-2012, 04:35 AM

Baer did have Joe hurt a couple times in that fight though..

PowerPuncher · 10-10-2012, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Flea Man

No way did Baer nearly have Louis out of there though!

Dempsey was also robbed against Tunney

(I know what he's alluding too but still)

bodhi · 10-10-2012, 05:14 AM

Great find. And I yeah, I also think Dempsey would have beaten Joe - and would have get beaten up in a rematch.

SugarShane_24 · 10-10-2012, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by bodhi

Great find. And I yeah, I also think Dempsey would have beaten Joe - and would have get beaten up in a rematch.

For some unknown reason, Joe becomes Death in rematches.

bodhi · 10-10-2012, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SugarShane_24

For some unknown reason, Joe becomes Death in rematches.

It´s not unknown, Joe was just bad at ad******g during a fight. But between fights he is perfectly able to adjust his style to an opponent - or more Blackburn would adjust him.

guilalah · 10-10-2012, 11:47 AM

Thanks, cmoyle!

Unforgiven · 11-04-2012, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Flea Man

No way did Baer nearly have Louis out of there though!

If the bell hadn't rung maybe he would have though. He knocked Louis flying with that punch.

Unforgiven · 11-04-2012, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Seamus

Wow. Fucking Wow.

Did Wills see that coming with precise vision? A counter-puncher and naming Schmeling as the hardest hitter in the division to boot.

Well, he didn't quite add it up for the correct answer.
He seemed to give Louis the edge over Schmeling.

Bummy Davis · 11-04-2012, 08:25 AM

interesting read...some new/old information found...NY commission drew color line according to Dempsey and Wills likes Dempsey over Louis....Johnson did not like Louis but Joe was taught by old-timer Jack Blackburn and the made a masterpiece... no one is perfect but Brown Bomber was close

I dont think Dempsey feared anyone and he wanted to fight Wills but politics and the flavor of Johnson and his arrogance left a bad taste in the mouth of American politicos ...Jack praised Louis and although he still thought he would beat him was modest only saying"I would have fought my best and feared no one"

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bodhi So I can die easy ... East Side VIP Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 21,759 vCash: 1337	Re: Jack Johnson & Harry Wills assessment of Joe Louis in early 1936 Great find. And I yeah, I also think Dempsey would have beaten Joe - and would have get beaten up in a rematch.
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Bummy Davis Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: New York Posts: 8,201 vCash: 1000	Re: Jack Johnson & Harry Wills assessment of Joe Louis in early 1936 interesting read...some new/old information found...NY commission drew color line according to Dempsey and Wills likes Dempsey over Louis....Johnson did not like Louis but Joe was taught by old-timer Jack Blackburn and the made a masterpiece... no one is perfect but Brown Bomber was close I dont think Dempsey feared anyone and he wanted to fight Wills but politics and the flavor of Johnson and his arrogance left a bad taste in the mouth of American politicos ...Jack praised Louis and although he still thought he would beat him was modest only saying"I would have fought my best and feared no one"
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