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Old 01-30-2008, 01:53 PM   #16
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Default Re: Where does Kostya Tszyu rank all-time at 140 lbs?

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see above.
Ok. Well Koysta hates pressure, Pryor would walk all over him. He had pressure and fantastic skill head/upper body movment, handspeed, great power and great workrate.

Pryor by KO.
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Old 01-30-2008, 01:54 PM   #17
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Pryor's boxing skills are highly underrated. He was good from the outside; hard to hit, good counterpuncher, and excellent overall handspeed.
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Old 01-30-2008, 01:59 PM   #18
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if tszyu didnt allow some one as mediocre as vince phillips get the better of him he would be ranked higher then chavez

Ah, the inevitably mention of Cool Vince.

And what about the fact that Tszyu is such a quitter, too? You forgot to mention that. We should always factor that in when we're talking about prime head to head matchups against the other 140 pound greats. I mean, he quit in the last fight of his career after eleven grueling rounds- that must mean that he would always quit if the going got tough, right? And if he lost to someone the caliber of Vince Phillips, then we can conclude that he'd get KO'd early by Pryor or Chavez, right?
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Old 01-30-2008, 02:00 PM   #19
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Number 2 or 3.

1. Julio Cesar Chavez
2/3. Aaron Pryor and Kostya Tsyzu
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Old 01-30-2008, 02:06 PM   #20
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Hawk Time!
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Old 01-30-2008, 02:30 PM   #21
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Number one.

Tszyu is a top 10 all time P4P fighter.
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Old 01-30-2008, 02:39 PM   #22
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It's fair to say top 5
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Old 01-30-2008, 02:42 PM   #23
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IMO he's the best ever at that division.

A Prime Zoo was something else.
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Old 01-30-2008, 02:45 PM   #24
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IMO he's the best ever at that division.

A Prime Zoo was something else.
A Prime Zoo was something else that got KTFO against Vince Phillips.
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Old 01-30-2008, 02:49 PM   #25
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Why does any thread initally regarding Tszyu's brilliance always end up being a demonstration of American boxing ignorance.
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Old 01-30-2008, 02:55 PM   #26
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Why does any thread initally regarding Tszyu's brilliance always end up being a demonstration of American boxing ignorance.
Ah, American ignorance...

My personal list:

1. JCC (Mexican)
2. Pryor (American)
3. Ross (American)
4. Nicolino Locce (Argentine)
5. Dulio Loi (Italian)
6. Wilfred Benitez (Puerto Rican)
7. Antonio Cervantes (Columbian)
8. Kostya Tsyzu (Russian)

That's a grand total of two americans out of the first 8.
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Old 01-30-2008, 02:59 PM   #27
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Default Re: Where does Kostya Tszyu rank all-time at 140 lbs?

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Ah, American ignorance...

My personal list:

1. JCC (Mexican)
2. Pryor (American)
3. Ross (American)
4. Nicolino Locce (Argentine)
5. Dulio Loi (Italian)
6. Wilfred Benitez (Puerto Rican)
7. Antonio Cervantes (Columbian)
8. Kostya Tsyzu (Russian)

That's a grand total of two americans out of the first 8.


How no one mentioned Wilfredo Benitez is amazing.
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Old 01-30-2008, 03:04 PM   #28
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How no one mentioned Wilfredo Benitez is amazing.
Wilfred Benitez is top 10 at 140 and higher on a head to head basis, but aside from his win over Antonio Cervantes, his resume is a little thin. I'd put Kostya ahead of him solely on longevity and total number of title defenses.
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Old 01-30-2008, 03:04 PM   #29
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Everybody here is rating Tszyu way too high! I can't believe that anyone , except for Mamma Tszyu, would even dream that Kostya would have beaten Aaron Pryor. Would he have even beaten Alexis Arguello? No! Antonio Cervantes, Wilfred Benitez, Noooooooo!
Hey, the guy had power and speed, but was way too one dimensional. He could be taken out of his comfort zone by crowding him and pushing him around, like Hatton did. Don't forget, when he fought Hatton, Tszyu was coming off a very impressive win over Shambra Mitchell. He didn't get old overnight, his Achilles Heel got exposed. Pryor would have run him over.
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Old 01-30-2008, 03:12 PM   #30
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Wilfred Benitez is top 10 at 140 and higher on a head to head basis, but aside from his win over Antonio Cervantes, his resume is a little thin. I'd put Kostya ahead of him solely on longevity and total number of title defenses.
I hear that, But let me ask you this...What great 140 pound fighter did Kosta beat? and does he have a better win then Antonio Cervantes in your opinion?
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