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Old 01-30-2008, 03:14 PM   #31
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I hear that, But let me ask you this...What great 140 pound fighter did Kosta beat? and does he have a better win then Antonio Cervantes in your opinion?
Nope

Benitez's win over Cervantes is easily the best win on either resume. And Pryor's wins over Cervantes and Arguello surpass Tszyu's best wins too.
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Old 01-30-2008, 03:16 PM   #32
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Nope

Benitez's win over Cervantes is easily the best win on either resume. And Pryor's wins over Cervantes and Arguello surpass Tszyu's best wins too.
So can it be a case of quality over quantity?
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Old 01-30-2008, 03:20 PM   #33
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So can it be a case of quality over quantity?
Spot on

I rate Tszyu highly because he cleaned out the division and dominated for a long time, despite never beating a great fighter at their peak.
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Old 01-30-2008, 03:24 PM   #34
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I hear that, But let me ask you this...What great 140 pound fighter did Kosta beat? and does he have a better win then Antonio Cervantes in your opinion?
Yeah...that's why he rates so low (not that #8 is anything to sneeze about). JCC had Meldrick Taylor, plus a whole bunch of really solid contenders and former titlists. Pryor had Cervantes and Arguello, plus DuJuan Johnson and Hwang. Ross had Conzoneri. Loi had Ortiz. Locce and Benitez had Cervantes. Cervantes had Estaban DeJesus, and a past his best but still viable Locce.

KT doesn't have anyone that good at 140lbs on their resume, and that's why he gets rated in that spot on my list.
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Old 01-30-2008, 03:58 PM   #35
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Pryor was on a different level. He destroyed Arguello, twice. Tszyu would absolutely never have beaten him.
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Old 01-30-2008, 04:10 PM   #36
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Ah, American ignorance...

My personal list:

1. JCC (Mexican)
2. Pryor (American)
3. Ross (American)
4. Nicolino Locce (Argentine)
5. Dulio Loi (Italian)
6. Wilfred Benitez (Puerto Rican)
7. Antonio Cervantes (Columbian)
8. Kostya Tsyzu (Russian)

That's a grand total of two americans out of the first 8.
Great list
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Old 01-30-2008, 04:23 PM   #37
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Vince Phillips in his prime wasn't mediocre.
vince won a title LAST YEAR at like 42. (it was a abc, but still, props to the old crackhead).
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Old 01-30-2008, 04:36 PM   #38
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He beats Pryor all day and and all night.
How in the name of God can you think that when he couldn't even handle the pressure and fight of a B level Phillips? Pryor is THE worst possible matchup for Tszyu. A swarmer of any top level is, really.
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Old 01-30-2008, 04:38 PM   #39
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Tszyu would box the crap out of Pryor, who was great to watch but not in Tszyus calibre when talking about technique and overall boxing ability. I see Aaron get picked to peices and walking into hard straight rights.

Tszyu wide UD.
I see Aaron completely overwhelming him just like any top swarmer would do to Tszyu. Against pressure, when he doesn't have the space to time his straight rights, or time and place his punches(which is his whole game) then he is ****ed. Hell, someone that stodd even ground and was able to take his shots and give em back(a B level fighter at that) was able to overwhelm him for God' sake and KO him. Pryor would have Tszyu out of there within 5 or 6. I have NO doubts about it.
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Old 01-30-2008, 04:39 PM   #40
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Default Re: Where does Kostya Tszyu rank all-time at 140 lbs?

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Ah, American ignorance...

My personal list:

1. JCC (Mexican)
2. Pryor (American)
3. Ross (American)
4. Nicolino Locce (Argentine)
5. Dulio Loi (Italian)
6. Wilfred Benitez (Puerto Rican)
7. Antonio Cervantes (Columbian)
8. Kostya Tsyzu (Russian)

That's a grand total of two americans out of the first 8.
A grand total of 6 American fighters mate (7 whom spent a fair amont of time n America). Each and everyone inferior to Tszyu (except arguably Pyor).
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Old 01-30-2008, 04:39 PM   #41
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Number one.

Tszyu is a top 10 all time P4P fighter.
You're so stupid it hurts.
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Old 01-30-2008, 04:42 PM   #42
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Why does any thread initally regarding Tszyu's brilliance always end up being a demonstration of American boxing ignorance.
Tszyu was beaten by a B level fighter in his prime at his own game, amd KO'd nonetheless. Head to head, he loses to any top notch swarmer, and better boxer-punchers straight up., and don't tell me there are none, we know how untrue that is.
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Old 01-30-2008, 04:55 PM   #43
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Spot on

I rate Tszyu highly because he cleaned out the division and dominated for a long time, despite never beating a great fighter at their peak.
Yo, what happend to that pic of Cotto in the Klu Klux Klan outfit?

Post that pic please...
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Old 01-30-2008, 05:02 PM   #44
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Aaron Pryor beat Hearns in the amateurs. Not that that means everything, but at least we know he can cope with a strong right hand.
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Old 01-30-2008, 05:03 PM   #45
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Yo, what happend to that pic of Cotto in the Klu Klux Klan outfit?

Post that pic please...
I never thought about it, but now that you mention it, Cotto does look like he's wearing a KKK outfit. Hmm...I guess I wont be using this as an avatar anymore.

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