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Old 01-30-2008, 05:08 PM   #46
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Aaron Pryor beat Hearns in the amateurs. Not that that means everything, but at least we know he can cope with a strong right hand.
Hearns had very little power as an amateur, he developed it under Manny Steward. Still though, Pryor proved his chin more than once, and Tszyu's foil is a strong swarmer like Pryor.
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Old 01-30-2008, 05:42 PM   #47
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Old 01-30-2008, 05:44 PM   #48
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A grand total of 6 American fighters mate (7 whom spent a fair amont of time n America). Each and everyone inferior to Tszyu (except arguably Pyor).
So did KT. In fact, he spent far more time in the states than many of the fighters on this list. Nice try, kiddo.

Oh, and I wasn't aware that Columbia, Argentina, Italy, and Mexico were part of the US. I'll give you Benitez from PR, but KT fought just as often in the states as he did.
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Old 01-31-2008, 07:57 AM   #49
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Everywhere except Italy and Russia are in America. And being Italian is teh same as being from New York.

Tszyu is from a communist country, he had no chance of being appreciated.
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Old 01-31-2008, 08:08 AM   #50
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hes top5 and imo the front end of the top5
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Old 01-31-2008, 08:11 AM   #51
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If Tszyu were American, and his last name was Thomas, he wouldn't even be mentioned. He was a good fighter who dominated during an era where the competition was made up of B, and well past their prime fighters.

Camacho would have boxed his ears off, as would have any number of fighters who moved up and through the devision while he was fighting in it.
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Old 01-31-2008, 08:32 AM   #52
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Top 3, personally I have him at 1, seen a fair amount of his pro career, very gifted fighter and underrated boxer.
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Old 01-31-2008, 09:17 AM   #53
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Hearns had very little power as an amateur, he developed it under Manny Steward. Still though, Pryor proved his chin more than once, and Tszyu's foil is a strong swarmer like Pryor.
Tszyu foiled against Phillips because he allowed himself get tagged right hand after right hand. He was too arrogant to defend himself. Tszyu's defence improved after the loss. A strong swarmer maybe not but, a strong swarmer who himself has an excellent chin and who could connect continuously after Tszyu raises his defense... good chances.

The Hatton fight to me was a very winable fight for Tszyu but, due to several factors ruled against Tszyu and especially the low blow took a lot out of him. Even if he took the full 5 mins to recuperate it would still affect the rest of his fight. Hence, the Hatton fight could not be used to discredit Tszyu.
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Old 01-31-2008, 11:41 AM   #54
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Chavez and Pryor destroy him h2h. I really don't know much about the rest of the fighters being mentioned so I cant rank him.
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Old 01-31-2008, 12:21 PM   #55
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Old 01-31-2008, 12:22 PM   #56
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140 has more great names than people realise so Tyszu is not top3 and isnt top10 either for my money.

Sugar Ray Robinson started at 135 and fought below 140 about 17times and beat some top names at that weight.

Duran/Mosley didnt stop at 140 but at 135 and 147 have shown to be better than Tyszu

Delahoya is better at 140 than Tyszu

Whitaker/Mayweather are also better than Tyszu at the weight despite not being there long they were both in their prime at this weight and clearly better than Tyszu

Then theres the obvious Pryor, Chavez, Henry Armstrong, Barney Ross.

Then the second tier: Cervantes, Loche, Hatton.
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Old 01-31-2008, 01:24 PM   #57
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#4 IMO

10 Floyd Mayweather Jr
9 Ricky Hatton
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7 Meldrick Taylor
6 Julio Cesar Chavez
5 Nicolino Loche
4 Kostya Tszyu
3 Aaron Pryor
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Old 01-31-2008, 01:30 PM   #58
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IMO , in a lww atg list , number 3 , I have Pryor 1 and havez 2 . The reason i have Tszyu high is because he had a high level of comp , he had a great win , and he seemed to wanna fight the best guys who were threats . Pryor's comp was not amazing throughout , but he was a h2h great , whih does have a bearing in this . Tszyu could possibly be higher , but the manner of his first loss , which was never avenged means this is the highest i could put him , some may have him lower for the same reason though , couldnt argue with that
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