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Old 10-13-2012, 05:37 PM   #1
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Default What is the best kicking martial art?

Muy Thai, Savate?

What I don't like about Muy Thai is that it seems like the stance tends to be squared up.

This is not the case with Savate.

Is a squared up stance a prerequisite or does it depend on the practitioner?

Also, if you are a master at Savate or Muy Thai, are there any other kicks that you should be wary of that you won't see with a Muy That or Savate background?
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Old 10-13-2012, 06:50 PM   #2
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Tae kwon do
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Muay Thai and it aint even close.
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Old 10-13-2012, 07:22 PM   #4
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Tae kwon do
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It has a lot of weak points as a whole. But there is A lot of effective kicking techniques
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Muay Thai and it aint even close.
If this is true, then why did the best Savate practitioner beat the shit out of the best Muy Thai practitioner?

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If this is true, then why did the best Savate practitioner beat the shit out of the best Muy Thai practitioner?

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Cause it all comes down to the practitioner. He was a better fighter still doesnt meant Savate is better than Muay Thai imo.
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I heard that Tae Kwon Do kicks were not very practical in a fight situation.

I understand that Muy Thai is, but it seems like every time I look up Savate vs Muy Thai the Savate guy beats the Muy Thai guy.

It seems like it's more defense based.

Is is possible to stand angled and be a defensive fighter using Muy Thai?

I know that in MMA, Silva is very defensive, but he doesn't use a typical Muy Thai stance.

It seems like pure Muy Thai is who can take the most punishment wins. It's like being Brandon Rios in boxing.

Sure Brandon Rios can beat some guys, but put him in with Mayweather or Pacquaio, and he gets the shit beat out of him.
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Cause it all comes down to the practitioner. He was a better fighter still doesnt meant Savate is better than Muay Thai imo.
What are the benefits of Muy Thai over Savate?

Are they essentially the same? It seems like Savate is more footwork/boxing based.
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Old 10-13-2012, 08:04 PM   #9
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X2

It has a lot of weak points as a whole. But there is A lot of effective kicking techniques
I would change this to:

"there are a lot of kicking techniques"

I'm sure Karate has more arm strikes than boxing (chops, palm strikes, whatever) and a great boxer might have only 12 different punches that he throws (straights, hooks, and uppercuts to the body and head) but no one would think karate is a better hands only fighting art than boxing.

I think the same is true for Muy Thai VS any other kicking art. There aren't tons of different kicks in Muy Thai (foot jabs, low kicks, Thai kicks to the body and head) but they are all effective and there are many different setups.

Truth be told, it's an impossibly vague question to answer. Are we talking about two top fighters in their respective style fighting each other kicks only who wins? Which style has the most powerful kicks? The most effective in MMA? The most kicks in total?

I think Muy Thai's emphasis on checking kicks also makes it superior. Not only does Muy Thai have very good kicks but it also has very good kick defense.

Edit: I am editing to make clear that I don't know shit about Savate or guys who fight Savate. I am comparing Muy Thai primarily to TKD, Karate, and other striking TMAs.
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Old 10-13-2012, 08:07 PM   #10
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I would change this to:

"there are a lot of kicking techniques"

I'm sure Karate has more arm strikes than boxing (chops, palm strikes, whatever) and a great boxer might have only 12 different punches that he throws (straights, hooks, and uppercuts to the body and head) but no one would think karate is a better hands only fighting art than boxing.

I think the same is true for Muy Thai VS any other kicking art. There aren't tons of different kicks in Muy Thai (foot jabs, low kicks, Thai kicks to the body and head) but they are all effective and there are many different setups.

Truth be told, it's an impossibly vague question to answer. Are we talking about two top fighters in their respective style fighting each other kicks only who wins? Which style has the most powerful kicks? The most effective in MMA? The most kicks in total?

I think Muy Thai's emphasis on checking kicks also makes it superior. Not only does Muy Thai have very good kicks but it also has very good kick defense.
I meant in regards to MMA.

I know Muy Thai is considered the top stand up, but it seems like Savate is more defense/counter strike based.

If you watch the video I posted, that guy was using his footwork, and angles, and he was picking the Muy Thai guy apart.

And keep in mind, that was Dekker, one of the best Muy Thai practitioners in the sport.

To me, it seems like Muy Thai is like Margarito and Savate is like Pacquaio.
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Old 10-13-2012, 08:12 PM   #11
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Basically, what are the downfalls to Savate? I don't know about anybody here, but I'd much rather be Pacquaio or Mayweather or any other counter puncher you can think of, as opposed to a brawler like Rios and Margarito.

It seems like Savate is more of a defense based fightings style. And in that video, where the Savate fighter didn't have his shoes, his style was still very effective.

So what exactly are the downfalls to using Savate?

It seems like it's superior to Muy Thai.
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Old 10-13-2012, 08:18 PM   #12
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Savate doesnt even involve knees. Muay Thai works a lot of angles and footwork as well. Its not as linear as you make it to be.
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Savate doesnt even involve knees. Muay Thai works a lot of angles and footwork as well. Its not as linear as you make it to be.
Savate the sport doesn't involve knees, but the martial art does involve knees and grappling as well.

Can you give any examples of defensive Muy Thai practitioners?
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Old 10-13-2012, 08:53 PM   #14
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Default Re: What is the best kicking martial art?

Roach, why don't you give it a try and find out? At my old gym we had a national savate champion and he was REALLY tough to spar. Kicks coming from every angle. The thing about standing in a boxing/kickboxing/savate stance that's more angled and less square than a wrestling/MT stance is that it leaves your lead leg more exposed for takedowns and leg kicks. It's also not that easy to say "the sport version doesn't have knees or lots of leg kicks, but you can learn them etc" because a lot of the techniques of any sport/martial art are optimized according to making them successful within the rules of the sport.

If what you care about is MMA then train everything at once so that you always keep in mind what doesn't work in that set of rules. It may be that you can do best with boxing or savate instead of MT, but maybe in trying it out you'll see why everyone mostly goes with it.
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Old 10-13-2012, 09:01 PM   #15
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Kyokushin Karate combines the hard hitting power of muay thai like round kicks with dyanmic pinpoint kicks ala tae kwon do. Andy Hug being the most prominent kyokushin kickboxer of note.
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