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Old 10-21-2012, 02:40 AM   #1
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Is he below Stanley Ketchel? above Bob Fits? close to the great Sugar Ray Robinson?..... Where does he land in the middleweight rankings ?
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Old 10-21-2012, 04:04 AM   #2
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Old 10-21-2012, 01:38 PM   #3
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I can't "be ****d" to make up a list either, except for 1. Monzon and 2. Hagler, but I would fit Zale near the bottom end of the top ten. His best days were before WW2 and his entry into the Navy, however, what he's best remembered for is his trilogy with Graiano, in which he acquitted himself quite well with a guy who he would have just blown out completely prewar. zale was hard as steel, hence his name, defied pain and adversity, and had one of the most debilitating body attacks ever, especially with the right. He fought at a fast tempo, was resilient, didn't have the best defense, but his offense took care of most of that. He had an indomitable will and would have gone after anyone with real purpose and intensity that he ever fought. Tough, tough man. Old school tough, that Man of Steel.
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Old 10-21-2012, 01:40 PM   #4
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Well, I'm too lazy to create a middleweight all time list, but to put this in context, Zale probably would have been rated 3rd or 4th during his career (mabye not even that high) had he fought some of the more dangerous and avoided fighters during his career. He wasn't Red Cochrane, but whenever I see Zale in a fight, I cannot help but think of the better fighters I'd rather see in his position.

Given that, I mark him down a fair bit, but despite that you cannot take away his ruggedness, heart, bodypunching or the excitment of his bouts with Graziano...as that's what the fans wanted to see.

I'll be looking forward to Stonehand's opinion in this thread...
These were his prime characteristics. He would have given anybody he ever fought a tough as hell night, win or lose.
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Old 10-21-2012, 02:33 PM   #5
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Great body attack...terrific body puncher...tough...he'd be hell for any top middleweight.
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Old 10-21-2012, 04:09 PM   #6
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I don't think he's an ATG Middleweight.

I rate him outside the top 25. Below Marcel Thil even.
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Is he below Stanley Ketchel? above Bob Fits? close to the great Sugar Ray Robinson? ..... Where does he land in the middleweight rankings ?
He's certainly below those three.
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Old 09-25-2013, 04:10 PM   #8
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Is he below Stanley Ketchel? above Bob Fits? close to the great Sugar Ray Robinson?..... Where does he land in the middleweight rankings ?
Maybe bottom of the top ten , there are too many names missing from his resume to place him higher. Not only skilled boxers could beat him, I would pick Lamotta and Tiger to do it as well. Fullmer would give him a tough fight and he doesnt make my rankings
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Is he below Stanley Ketchel? above Bob Fits? close to the great Sugar Ray Robinson?..... Where does he land in the middleweight rankings ?
Zale being dead now, I would still rank his corpse in the top 7 of Todays middleweights
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I can't "be ****d" to make up a list either, except for 1. Monzon and 2. Hagler, but I would fit Zale near the bottom end of the top ten. His best days were before WW2 and his entry into the Navy, however, what he's best remembered for is his trilogy with Graiano, in which he acquitted himself quite well with a guy who he would have just blown out completely prewar. zale was hard as steel, hence his name, defied pain and adversity, and had one of the most debilitating body attacks ever, especially with the right. He fought at a fast tempo, was resilient, didn't have the best defense, but his offense took care of most of that. He had an indomitable will and would have gone after anyone with real purpose and intensity that he ever fought. Tough, tough man. Old school tough, that Man of Steel.
"Old school tough"

I like that. Nice description of Zale.
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Old 09-25-2013, 11:44 PM   #11
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I love Georgie Abrams morning after quote.."Zales the best I fought"
Covers alotta ground!
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"The first time he (Zale) hit me to the body I didn't know whether to **** or throw-up" -- Billy Soose
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Something Rocky 111 posted on the old CBZ forum that I always liked (and concur):

The eyes of a killer....Its something very few fighters have. Most guys have the ghetto stare, the bluff that theyve been taught. Let me add a killer, the most killer Ive ever come across-Mr. Tony Zale. He had the eyes of a WW2 experienced Russian combat vet. Used to killing so much that it was his whole purpose.

No bluff, no act- Just him.
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Something Rocky 111 posted on the old CBZ forum that I always liked (and concur):

The eyes of a killer....Its something very few fighters have. Most guys have the ghetto stare, the bluff that theyve been taught. Let me add a killer, the most killer Ive ever come across-Mr. Tony Zale. He had the eyes of a WW2 experienced Russian combat vet. Used to killing so much that it was his whole purpose.

No bluff, no act- Just him.
Zale was asked about," glass jaws ,"once, he replied, " I haven't seen too many, but I've seen a few glass hearts".
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Zale was asked about," glass jaws ,"once, he replied, " I haven't seen too many, but I've seen a few glass hearts".


(and if anybody could expose that and tear it out of you, it's Zale!)
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