Who has the better resume; Pavlik or Taylor?

v2k987 · 10-21-2012, 05:46 PM

Jermain Taylor - best achievements:

Joppy - w 12
Hopkins - w 12 (TWICE)
Winky Wright - draw
Ouma - w 12
Lacy - w 12

Kelly Pavlik - best achievements:

Miranda - TKO 7
Taylor - TKO 7 & w 12
Rubio - RTD 9

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Nonito Smoak · 10-21-2012, 06:26 PM

I want to say Pavlik was the better fighter in his prime, but Taylor has the names, and beating Hopkins twice, regardless of the close nature of the fights, is borderline a legendary feat, at least for this era.

NoNeck · 10-21-2012, 06:29 PM

Taylor also beat Spinks

v2k987 · 10-21-2012, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by NoNeck

Taylor also beat Spinks

I'm going to pretend like that fight never happened. It put my best friend off boxing forever

SJS19 · 10-21-2012, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by v2k987

I'm going to pretend like that fight never happened. It put my best friend off boxing forever

Only ever bought myself to watch one Spinks fight, the one where he was knocked out by Judah.

Not a big Alexander fan either.

Taylor has the better resume for what it's worth, though I'd put a prime Pavlik a bit higher in a H2H sense.

Club Fighter · 10-21-2012, 08:10 PM

I guess this is about who's lost to better opponents.

Taylor lost to presumed killers at the time and laid out the blueprint for fighters like Froch to follow later in taking on nothing but the toughest opponents back to back to back w/o any filler thrown in. Props to JT on this. That being said, naturally Taylor has lost to better opponents and also beaten better opponents. Edge to Taylor.

NoNeck · 10-21-2012, 08:20 PM

Let's put it this way: Taylor compiled a better resume than Pavlik (a very good resume actually) despite looking like crap in nearly all of his important fights.

SugarShane_24 · 10-21-2012, 08:28 PM

In terms of resume, it's Taylor.

He's just unfortunately that in H2H, Pavlik edged him.

dwighttsharpe · 10-21-2012, 08:35 PM

Taylor.

Unfortunately, Jermaine lost to most of the good competition, except Hopkins, of course.

ripcity · 10-21-2012, 08:41 PM

I think Taylor's wins over Hopkins. Even if they were close. Puts him ahead of Pavlik.

Porgeous Porge · 10-21-2012, 08:42 PM

Taylor by resume Pavlik h2h and i think skill wise

oddly enough their careers went very similar

ConserveWater · 10-21-2012, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Club Fighter

I guess this is about who's lost to better opponents.

Taylor lost to presumed killers at the time and laid out the blueprint for fighters like Froch to follow later in taking on nothing but the toughest opponents back to back to back w/o any filler thrown in. Props to JT on this. That being said, naturally Taylor has lost to better opponents and also beaten better opponents. Edge to Taylor.

I agree that Taylor have the greater resume. I don't agree Taylor lost to the better fighters.
Pavlik was beaten by Sergio Martinez and Bernard Hopkins. The version of Hopkins who beat Pavlik, despite being in his 40's would have given most fighters 168-175 a tough fight(throughout history, not just current).

Will you honestly say a 168 Prime Benn or 168 Toney just walk through the 170 version of B-Hop who schooled Pavlik? That was a supreme version of B-Hop.

Martinez was arguably in his prime against Pavlik and is a far better fighter than Abraham. Taylor didn't get 'laid out' by a line of killers like most short memory boxing fans would have you believe. Taylor lost to Pavlik,Froch and Abraham. That's it. 3 good fighters, but hardly the elite fighters Bernard and Martinez were/is.

Atlanta · 10-21-2012, 10:53 PM

Taylor easily. Losses don't get you credit and Taylor's wins over:

Hopkins(x2)
Spinks
Ouma
and the draw with Wright mean a lot more than Pavliks:

Rubio
Lockett
Espino

That shit is like the witness protection program. Complete ass.

booradley · 10-21-2012, 10:58 PM

I've often reminded people that resume's don't fight, fighters do. The Pavlik/Taylor rivalry was a perfect example of what I mean.

Nonito Smoak · 10-21-2012, 11:21 PM

Kelly Pavlik won 4 rounds and dropped a prime Sergio Martinez.

The less you think of Pavlik, the less you value Sergio's best or second best ever win.

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v2k987 Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 4,028 vCash: 1582	Who has the better resume; Pavlik or Taylor? Jermain Taylor - best achievements: Joppy - w 12 Hopkins - w 12 (TWICE) Winky Wright - draw Ouma - w 12 Lacy - w 12 Kelly Pavlik - best achievements: Miranda - TKO 7 Taylor - TKO 7 & w 12 Rubio - RTD 9 *********************************************** Discuss
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Nonito Smoak Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Washington State, USA Posts: 9,322 vCash: 0	Re: Who has the better resume; Pavlik or Taylor? I want to say Pavlik was the better fighter in his prime, but Taylor has the names, and beating Hopkins twice, regardless of the close nature of the fights, is borderline a legendary feat, at least for this era.
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NoNeck Pugilist Specialist ESB Addict Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 1,557 vCash: 500	Re: Who has the better resume; Pavlik or Taylor? Taylor also beat Spinks
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Club Fighter Multiculturalism Slayer East Side Guru Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Bronx, New York, USA, North America, Earth, Milky Way Posts: 9,726 vCash: 1972	Re: Who has the better resume; Pavlik or Taylor? I guess this is about who's lost to better opponents. Taylor lost to presumed killers at the time and laid out the blueprint for fighters like Froch to follow later in taking on nothing but the toughest opponents back to back to back w/o any filler thrown in. Props to JT on this. That being said, naturally Taylor has lost to better opponents and also beaten better opponents. Edge to Taylor.
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NoNeck Pugilist Specialist ESB Addict Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 1,557 vCash: 500	Re: Who has the better resume; Pavlik or Taylor? Let's put it this way: Taylor compiled a better resume than Pavlik (a very good resume actually) despite looking like crap in nearly all of his important fights.
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SugarShane_24 ESB good-looking member ESB Addict Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: the few, the proud, the Philippines Posts: 4,803 vCash: 0	Re: Who has the better resume; Pavlik or Taylor? In terms of resume, it's Taylor. He's just unfortunately that in H2H, Pavlik edged him.
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dwighttsharpe Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 3,144 vCash: 1000	Re: Who has the better resume; Pavlik or Taylor? Taylor. Unfortunately, Jermaine lost to most of the good competition, except Hopkins, of course.
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ripcity Undisputed Champion East Side VIP Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: "Somebody may beat me, but they are going to have to bleed to do it." Posts: 12,066 vCash: 856	Re: Who has the better resume; Pavlik or Taylor? I think Taylor's wins over Hopkins. Even if they were close. Puts him ahead of Pavlik.
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Porgeous Porge Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1,271 vCash: 500	Re: Who has the better resume; Pavlik or Taylor? Taylor by resume Pavlik h2h and i think skill wise oddly enough their careers went very similar
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Atlanta P4P King East Side VIP Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 18,504 vCash: 528	Re: Who has the better resume; Pavlik or Taylor? Taylor easily. Losses don't get you credit and Taylor's wins over: Hopkins(x2) Spinks Ouma and the draw with Wright mean a lot more than Pavliks: Rubio Lockett Espino That shit is like the witness protection program. Complete ass.
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booradley Mean People Kick Ass! East Side VIP Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 20,373 vCash: 622	Re: Who has the better resume; Pavlik or Taylor? I've often reminded people that resume's don't fight, fighters do. The Pavlik/Taylor rivalry was a perfect example of what I mean.
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Nonito Smoak Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Washington State, USA Posts: 9,322 vCash: 0	Re: Who has the better resume; Pavlik or Taylor? Kelly Pavlik won 4 rounds and dropped a prime Sergio Martinez. The less you think of Pavlik, the less you value Sergio's best or second best ever win.
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