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Old 10-22-2012, 07:15 AM   #1
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Default Who will fight a world class opponent first, burns or cleverly

I think Burns will keep the hell away from broner, cleverly will dodge Dawson

I'll say pascal is world class, cleverly might fight him because he's known from the froch fight, but he'll get sparked
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Old 10-22-2012, 07:27 AM   #2
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Cleverly/Pascal would make me take notice. The ways things are, and have been, Cleverly is an irrelevancy.
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Old 10-22-2012, 07:42 AM   #3
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These two make Bute look like he had one of the hardest ever reigns in the sport.
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Old 10-22-2012, 07:58 AM   #4
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tbf burns has done alright, people were saying hed get ko'ed against martinez (whos since won the belt back) but he went in there and outboxed him, people said the same thing about katsidis, same result, moses was a decent challenge, not the best but id say world class and mitchell was another good match up made to look easy
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Old 10-22-2012, 08:09 AM   #5
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These two make Bute look like he had one of the hardest ever reigns in the sport.
I'm sure you're hungover from your birthday but come on Burns hasn't been all that atrocious compared to some.
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Old 10-22-2012, 08:11 AM   #6
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I'm sure you're hungover from your birthday but come on Burns hasn't been all that atrocious compared to some.
But compare him to Bute who people said faced weak opposition and Bute faced many B level guys. Ricky's faced 2 and then the rest are C and D level operators at world level.

It's just strange how bad the two lads competition is compared to a ex Champion like Bute.
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Old 10-22-2012, 08:32 AM   #7
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Seeing as how Burns won his title from a 'champion', and not in a vacancy match...
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But compare him to Bute who people said faced weak opposition and Bute faced many B level guys. Ricky's faced 2 and then the rest are C and D level operators at world level.

It's just strange how bad the two lads competition is compared to a ex Champion like Bute.
Yeah but thats also in the context of the divisions. Burns wasn't fighting these guys whilst the top fighters were all fighting each other. Not to mention just how deep 168 is it has a top 15 of all known, good fighters. 126/135 just isn't that deep especially with lots of the top fighters moving up from 135 to get the money fights at 140/147.

Now Cleverlys opposition is inexcusable. Its a joke plain and simple not only is he fighting weak opposition but they are guys no one has even heard of.
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Yeah but thats also in the context of the divisions. Burns wasn't fighting these guys whilst the top fighters were all fighting each other. Not to mention just how deep 168 is it has a top 15 of all known, good fighters. 126/135 just isn't that deep especially with lots of the top fighters moving up from 135 to get the money fights at 140/147.

Now Cleverlys opposition is inexcusable. Its a joke plain and simple not only is he fighting weak opposition but they are guys no one has even heard of.
Still see that as no reason to not face the better end of the LW division Matt. Bute's got a lot of stick, rightfully so for facing the lower end of the spectrum but he still faced better opponents then these two that's how bad it is when you put into context.

There's some decent fighters at LW for Burns to fight, better guys then Mitchell that's for sure.
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Old 10-22-2012, 09:14 AM   #10
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Curious to know where the Cleverley hate comes from? I'll be the first to admit that his promoter is a c*nt and he hasn't tested himself yet, apart from a close fight with Bellew, (which I had Bellew wining) Cleverely stylistically causes problems for a number of "world class" opposition, because he is busy. It's that busyness that steals rounds of fighters who do very little in some rounds. It's the reason why N'dam on my scorecard was one point ahead going into the 12th, even though he had been knocked down 4 times going into the 12th.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Cleverley is all that, because he likes to be involved in scraps to much, and eventually he will be exposed. He seems very hot headed in the ring.

But does someone care to explain why Cleverley gets this heat on here?

I don't get it, he's not delaying the inevitable anymore than Brook has/is doing, same as Price and Burns. He will get easy nobody fight after easy nobody fight, so his record seems fantastic, thats the way today, promoters won't put them in for a world title, until they feel confident enough thats its an easy fight, or the belt has been vacated.
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Still see that as no reason to not face the better end of the LW division Matt. Bute's got a lot of stick, rightfully so for facing the lower end of the spectrum but he still faced better opponents then these two that's how bad it is when you put into context.

There's some decent fighters at LW for Burns to fight, better guys then Mitchell that's for sure.
I just don't see the huge gap in competition relatively between Butes title run and Burns if we look at the better fighters they faced. If you include Bute actually getting knocked out in one of those fights and the quality of the divisons then the difference is even smaller.

I agree completely he should be fighting better guys, and he's showing he should be in the ring, I just think that comparing his title run to Clevs is unfair.
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Yeah but thats also in the context of the divisions. Burns wasn't fighting these guys whilst the top fighters were all fighting each other. Not to mention just how deep 168 is it has a top 15 of all known, good fighters. 126/135 just isn't that deep especially with lots of the top fighters moving up from 135 to get the money fights at 140/147.

Now Cleverlys opposition is inexcusable. Its a joke plain and simple not only is he fighting weak opposition but they are guys no one has even heard of.
Good post.

Burns' reign at Lightweight is pretty solid. I hope now that he gets a Demarco or Vasquez fight because they would be very competitive unifications.

Vasquez is the no.1 in the division IMO so that fight would be great. It's winnable too.
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Old 10-22-2012, 10:56 AM   #13
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Curious to know where the Cleverley hate comes from? I'll be the first to admit that his promoter is a c*nt and he hasn't tested himself yet, apart from a close fight with Bellew, (which I had Bellew wining) Cleverely stylistically causes problems for a number of "world class" opposition, because he is busy. It's that busyness that steals rounds of fighters who do very little in some rounds. It's the reason why N'dam on my scorecard was one point ahead going into the 12th, even though he had been knocked down 4 times going into the 12th.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Cleverley is all that, because he likes to be involved in scraps to much, and eventually he will be exposed. He seems very hot headed in the ring.

But does someone care to explain why Cleverley gets this heat on here?

I don't get it, he's not delaying the inevitable anymore than Brook has/is doing, same as Price and Burns. He will get easy nobody fight after easy nobody fight, so his record seems fantastic, thats the way today, promoters won't put them in for a world title, until they feel confident enough thats its an easy fight, or the belt has been vacated.
Because he is held up as a champion and claims to be a champion.
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Old 10-22-2012, 11:11 AM   #14
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Burns has faced Katsids, Moses and Mitchell. Thats a quality trio.
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Old 10-22-2012, 11:37 AM   #15
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Burns has faced Katsids, Moses and Mitchell. Thats a quality trio.
Katsidis was.. maybe. The other two?
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