Bernard Hopkins: higher on ATG list than Floyd and Manny? - Page 2

turbotime · 10-22-2012, 03:01 PM

Yes.

ConserveWater · 10-22-2012, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by luke

Higher than floyd lower than pac

Oh I know he's higher than Floyd.

Numerous Polls all have BHop winning over Floyd on multiple sites and most boxing writer's lists have B-Hop a few places higher.I didn't want to put a 'Floyd only Option' and a 'Manny Only Option' because I am afraid it will spark into a Flomo- Pac Tard debate.

miketysonko · 10-22-2012, 03:01 PM

No

tliang1000 · 10-22-2012, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ConserveWater

It's not prime Tarver, but come on let's give Bernard a break. He's a guy in his 40's beating up guys who could be his kids. Sure it's not 'prime Tarver' but Hopkins went up two weight classes.

As for your complains about his MW run. Those were NOT his biggest wins. History remembers and boxing writers remembers. Pavlik at age 43 and Pascal at age 46 was much more impressive and they give Hopkins massive credit for those.

Let's see Floyd or Pacquaio beat a prime MW when they are 45 years old. I know you can pick apart Hopkin's MW Resume and run, but what he accomplished after 40 is shocking and I don't understand how people rarely acknowledged such greatness.

We are saying Erik Morales is shot at 35. Hopkins at 46 was beating the LHW Version of Danny Garcia in a great back/forth battle.

I rate bhop's win over Pavlik and Pascal but while those two fighters were good wins they didn't beat anybody worth a note. Pavlik's biggest fame was beating Taylor and that is like so what for me. And Pascal biggest claim to fame was his fight against Froch.

Being Bhop is still able to beat young guys is impressive but i have no doubt that Floyd and maybe pac can do the same as well. Sneak in a win over a young fighter here and there.

If you look at Floyd jr at 35 he still won against a young Ortiz who is actually more accomplished than Pavlik and Pascal.

ConserveWater · 10-22-2012, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by tliang1000

I rate bhop's win over Pavlik and Pascal but while those two fighters were good wins they didn't beat anybody worth a note. Pavlik's biggest fame was beating Taylor and that is like so what for me. And Pascal biggest claim to fame was his fight against Froch.

Being Bhop is still able to beat young guys is impressive but i have no doubt that Floyd and maybe pac can do the same as well. Sneak in a win over a young fighter here and there.

If you look at Floyd jr at 35 he still won against a young Ortiz who is actually more accomplished than Pavlik and Pascal.

I don't agree with that, but good post. Thanks for contributing.

Pavlik and Pascal were both better fighters than Ortiz. Hopkins doing that at age 43-47 is also much more impressive than Floyd at age 35.
Explain how Ortiz is better than either or have achieved more? That is a bit crossing the line.

turbotime · 10-22-2012, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tliang1000

I rate bhop's win over Pavlik and Pascal but while those two fighters were good wins they didn't beat anybody worth a note. Pavlik's biggest fame was beating Taylor and that is like so what for me. And Pascal biggest claim to fame was his fight against Froch.

Being Bhop is still able to beat young guys is impressive but i have no doubt that Floyd and maybe pac can do the same as well. Sneak in a win over a young fighter here and there.

If you look at Floyd jr at 35 he still won against a young Ortiz who is actually more accomplished than Pavlik and Pascal.

He beat Dawson.

tliang1000 · 10-22-2012, 03:07 PM

Really this shouldn't even be debatable and if you lay the stats side by side, you will be able to see clearly how far ahead Floyd and Pac is over bhop. As for giving extra pts to bhop being old, i don't buy that bc just bc he didn't do much early in his career doesn't mean he gets a automatic bonus when he does later in his career.

tliang1000 · 10-22-2012, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by turbotime

He beat Dawson.

He beat Dawson? wtf when this happen?

UP93 · 10-22-2012, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tliang1000

If you look at Floyd jr at 35 he still won against a young Ortiz who is actually more accomplished than Pavlik and Pascal.

No, he isn't

Anyway Floyd's ahead but it's not as clear as some in here are suggesting.

turbotime · 10-22-2012, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tliang1000

He beat Dawson? wtf when this happen?

Really?

Chappy112 · 10-22-2012, 03:12 PM

I think he might be above Floyd in terms of resume but not Pacquiao, Pacquiao's resume is ridiculous.

ConserveWater · 10-22-2012, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tliang1000

He beat Dawson? wtf when this happen?

Ya at first I thought you were a non bias poster, but after going through your posts I realize you are just a more intelligent version of a Flomo.

Never mind. Lol, after reading some more of what you written and how you think ORTIZ is a better fighter than Prime Pavlik and Prime Pascal.... That level of delusion is almost on par with Pactardism.

tliang1000 · 10-22-2012, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by UP93

No, he isn't

Anyway Floyd's ahead but it's not as clear as some in here are suggesting.

and why isn't Ortiz is not more accomplished?

Pavlik's best win was against Taylor in ONE division.

Ortiz is two division champion and his best win was against Mike arnaoutis, Berto, and he beat Peterson even though it was a draw, and Harris, and campbell.

Bogotazo · 10-22-2012, 03:13 PM

I have Bernard over both.

tliang1000 · 10-22-2012, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by turbotime

Really?

Dawson beat Bhop.

View Poll Results: Will you rank Bernard Hopkins over Floyd and Manny on the ATG LIST?
Yes Bernard over both	26	33.33%
No. Floyd Or Manny deserve to be ranked higher overall	52	66.67%
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