How can we be sure guys like Cadel Evans, Choc, Green and other guys aren't juicing? - Page 5

dawsosj · 10-23-2012, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by 20a87

You sound like a total tosser. Facts are both Ty and Prettyboy box/have boxed so know infinitely more than you about boxing.

And where are you basing the assertion that i am not currently boxing/have boxed?, if i sound like a tosser to you then i am satisfied. And i think it is clear that prettyboy has trouble stringing sentences together so that is a no contest, as for tc, he occasionally does contribute worthwhile and interesting input when he isn't on his green witch hunt. Say what you will brah you wont get under my skin, im the ice man

20a87 · 10-23-2012, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by dawsosj

And where are you basing the assertion that i am not currently boxing/have boxed?, if i sound like a tosser to you then i am satisfied. And i think it is clear that prettyboy has trouble stringing sentences together so that is a no contest, as for tc, he occasionally does contribute worthwhile and interesting input when he isn't on his green witch hunt. Say what you will brah you wont get under my skin, im the ice man

I knew that would get to you.

ecto55 · 10-23-2012, 03:46 AM

Without any evidence, just supposition based on some knowledge and not being a fucking idiot, I was fairly confident (say 90% sure) Armstrong was on PED's thoughout his career. Funny how no-one ever wan't to know about these beleifs...and know everyone expresses amazment??? Juice (i.e. oil based anabolics), however it is not. That crap went out of upper echelon professional sports in the early 80's, and only morons would use it due to the clearance times and random, out of comp. testing. HGH has been the best athletes drug of choice since the mid-late 80's, and has been replaced by something even better in the past 4 to 5 years that remains undectable.

It is rampant among the best in the Olympic's and is the enormous and unmentioned elephant in the room. If any boxer were using it, they would have Usian Bolt-like physical abilities (as opposed to technical, so wins aren't necessarily guranteed!) relative to their opponents....but that's another subject.

Anyone here know what/who I'm talking about, it's the stuff of the future here right now...????

In boxing, testing as undertaken in the 2012 Olympics for EPO, HGH and other upper echelon substances doesn't exist. No-one's really interested. Boxing is, always has been and will remain the wild-west of the sports world. I have some involvment in the MMA scene through my nephew and his associates, and the degree of drug use in that sport is gob-smacking. In terms of PED's in Australian boxing, we are neophytes. But make no mistake, well known Australian boxers are using PED's, even average Hvy boxers/kickboxers who have no deficiencies in power. Why? I don't know. Because the other guy might be using it?

'Smart' Aussie boxer's are using HGH, which if used at low levels is hard to identify on the cheap as synthetic. Unlike muscel-fibre swelling anabolics, it would assist by increasing the number of motor units. EPO would the obvious PED, but no-one ever accused Australian fighters of being intellgent, everyone wants to be more POWERFUL via ped's, rather than fitter cardiovascularly and carrying one's punch later...like I'm almost positive certain well known international boxing superstars do.

But blood doping is where it's at, and has been around in the 70's. It was used by a well known Oz boxer in the 80's who relied on his cardio alot, the more red blood cells the better your oxygen carrying capacity and Vo2 max...its a huge advantage. Its also not a big step from boxers taking fluids out via IV's to make weight and put weight back on, once you get used to playing with your veins/fluids one way its easy to play another way. But you have to know what you'r doing, fighters have been known to come down with crippling infections when doing this stuff without proper guidence.

In all, this crap is rampant, anyone who thinks otherwise needs to take their school uniform off. Boxing is business, and unlike cycling or sprinting where you only lose prize-money and sponsorships, fighters can be devistated physically by an enhaced opponent. Moralizing won't help the game get rid of it, only across the board random testing of registered boxers. My two cents.

dawsosj · 10-23-2012, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by 20a87

I knew that would get to you.

Not really, the less you know about me the better, you have sociopathic tendencies. Ecto i personally use the term juicing to describe blood doping, hgh and ped's , it just groups them together easily. I agree with your assertions, but as i stated before, unless somebody is found guilty, they are innocent, i know a lot of guys who do roids, for purely aesthetic reasons, but i don't see how these would help a sport such as boxing, other than base power, as ecto said, blood doping would probably be the most common.

kas117 · 10-23-2012, 04:12 AM

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Facts are both Ty and Prettyboy box/have boxed .

That's is true Anus. But you failed to mention that neither were/are good at it.

20a87 · 10-23-2012, 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by dawsosj

Not really, the less you know about me the better, you have sociopathic tendencies. Ecto i personally use the term juicing to describe blood doping, hgh and ped's , it just groups them together easily. I agree with your assertions, but as i stated before, unless somebody is found guilty, they are innocent, i know a lot of guys who do roids, for purely aesthetic reasons, but i don't see how these would help a sport such as boxing, other than base power, as ecto said, blood doping would probably be the most common.

For someone that professes to be a scholar you aren't very smart. Of course steroids don't help boxers

. It isn't like a shortened recovery time would help then train harder and more frequently or anything....

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Originally Posted by kas117

That's is true Anus. But you failed to mention that neither were/are good at it.

Why have you been looking at my profile page? That is something worth mentioning.

dawsosj · 10-23-2012, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 20a87

For someone that professes to be a scholar you aren't very smart. Of course steroids don't help boxers

. It isn't like a shortened recovery time would help then train harder and more frequently or anything....

Why have you been looking at my profile page? That is something worth mentioning.

I was stating that they weren't as beneficial on the performance side, as HGH or blood doping, and there are plenty of legal processes which do shorten recovery time so they would be obsolete in my opinion.

team prettyboy · 10-23-2012, 04:58 AM

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkmrmrnD1d8[/ame]

team prettyboy · 10-23-2012, 05:00 AM

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv69bW_13aY&NR=1&feature=endscreen[/ame]

team prettyboy · 10-23-2012, 05:03 AM

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MdgWTAvTaU&NR=1&feature=endscreen[/ame]

TCboxa · 10-23-2012, 05:36 AM

Great Post ETCO

@Dawsosj

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If there was anything to the whole mysterious liquid thing it would have been investigated, god knows there were lots of enquiries about it at the time, nothing ever came of it, yet you still bring it up as hard evidence that he is on steroids? get a life.

Investigated by who? the IBO that dont take any tests for a WT fight? bit hard to test Green after the fact. Greens been using sht for sometime. You can cycle some sht and come back clean, others you can not. Do you recall the fight Danny had overseas and he spat the dumby over a piss test, then refused to do said piss test and wasnt going to be paid, then jeff roughed up the guy who was supposed to pay Danny, in the end the promoter caved in and just paid them. I bet that one slipped your mind hey pal

As for spelling, well u know that when a person resorts to pointing out spelling mistakes that they are just splitting hairs, is this a spelling bee competiton you fckwit?

i think its you who needs to get a life, perhaps become a school teacher so you can mark everyones papers and pick up all those spelling mistakes cause thats all you seem to give two fcks about.

@KAS, i was good enough boxer to defeat the ABA Victorian Champ after only having league fights and also being inactive for a period of 4 yrs, good enough to sparr with Billy Dib and MicK Shaw but your the expert, armchair expert i should say, perhaps you are looking for a contest to see who can run the most amount of laps around his armchair in a specific amount of time. Go for it champ, do your best, but its a contest im not intrested in. go piss somewhere else

None of you know when the last time Danny has been tested but what we all do know for certian is he was suspect of Tarver, didnt request he be tested and neither Tarver nor Green were tested. He lost a tone of weight over his apendix and put it on plus some in a very short amount of time. Do you think he was visiting MC Donalds every day

Dam i could have got his autograph if only i had $5

TCboxa · 10-23-2012, 05:38 AM

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This one best explains Danny Green

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Pathalogical Liar & a Criminal

Francis75 · 10-23-2012, 05:49 AM

Are you allowed to drink golden syrup from an old gatorade bottle during a fight ? No you can only drink water.

Greeny has been proven on this forum by Ty to have drunk golden syrup during a fight so he is a proven cheat.

Round 1 to Ty.

Where is the rest of the evidence Ty ? Where are the before and after photos of Greeny ?

dawsosj · 10-23-2012, 05:50 AM

TC that was after the eric lucas fight in montreal and it was an unregistered doctor with a dodgy sample bag that had been tampered with, they provided a clean test the next day. There were massive amounts of enquiries after the flores fight it was all over the general forum and bj himself said he was going to follow it up, and guess what, nothing came of it.You continue to spread accusations and state that he is on the gear, as was asked before, why don't you go to a media agency and out him, or go to the boxing commissions? rather than spreading your bullshit here, because simply, you have no evidence. And why post videos that have no relevance to the subject matter.

TCboxa · 10-23-2012, 06:04 AM

Francis ill dig them up.

Dawsosj, the video is relevant as it PROVES beyond doubt that Danny Green is a liar and not the honest role model he makes out to be. The doctor was not unregisterd he was the fight doctor and the bag wasnt tamperd with, as for the bag, how do you know Danny didnt tamper with the bag in order to avoid having the test? BJ Flores cant do sht to follow up nothing as the IBO is a boys club, they would have just ignored him as they ignored NSW's move to not sanction the Briggs fight, all they give a rats ass about is SANCTION FEES.

Ive already addressed why i am not going to the media , it will be a collective response that will expose him if he ever is to be exposed.

Tell me this, what Gateraid looks like the sht he was drinking? none that i know of and Gateraid was the only drink that was approved. it also didnt come from the orignal bottle, the label had been removed so how can the authorities be sure its been open from a bottle that hasnt been tamperd with? clearly the removal of the label indicates it has infact been tamperd with, the other red bottle he drank from didnt have the label removed, and ill ask u this again, WTF gateraid is that thick ?

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ecto55 Contender ESB Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: a little sun-drenched vinyard 3 hours north by nor-west of Sydney, NSW, Australia... Posts: 587 vCash: 1000	Re: How can we be sure guys like Cadel Evans, Choc, Green and other guys aren't juici Without any evidence, just supposition based on some knowledge and not being a fucking idiot, I was fairly confident (say 90% sure) Armstrong was on PED's thoughout his career. Funny how no-one ever wan't to know about these beleifs...and know everyone expresses amazment??? Juice (i.e. oil based anabolics), however it is not. That crap went out of upper echelon professional sports in the early 80's, and only morons would use it due to the clearance times and random, out of comp. testing. HGH has been the best athletes drug of choice since the mid-late 80's, and has been replaced by something even better in the past 4 to 5 years that remains undectable. It is rampant among the best in the Olympic's and is the enormous and unmentioned elephant in the room. If any boxer were using it, they would have Usian Bolt-like physical abilities (as opposed to technical, so wins aren't necessarily guranteed!) relative to their opponents....but that's another subject. Anyone here know what/who I'm talking about, it's the stuff of the future here right now...???? In boxing, testing as undertaken in the 2012 Olympics for EPO, HGH and other upper echelon substances doesn't exist. No-one's really interested. Boxing is, always has been and will remain the wild-west of the sports world. I have some involvment in the MMA scene through my nephew and his associates, and the degree of drug use in that sport is gob-smacking. In terms of PED's in Australian boxing, we are neophytes. But make no mistake, well known Australian boxers are using PED's, even average Hvy boxers/kickboxers who have no deficiencies in power. Why? I don't know. Because the other guy might be using it? 'Smart' Aussie boxer's are using HGH, which if used at low levels is hard to identify on the cheap as synthetic. Unlike muscel-fibre swelling anabolics, it would assist by increasing the number of motor units. EPO would the obvious PED, but no-one ever accused Australian fighters of being intellgent, everyone wants to be more POWERFUL via ped's, rather than fitter cardiovascularly and carrying one's punch later...like I'm almost positive certain well known international boxing superstars do. But blood doping is where it's at, and has been around in the 70's. It was used by a well known Oz boxer in the 80's who relied on his cardio alot, the more red blood cells the better your oxygen carrying capacity and Vo2 max...its a huge advantage. Its also not a big step from boxers taking fluids out via IV's to make weight and put weight back on, once you get used to playing with your veins/fluids one way its easy to play another way. But you have to know what you'r doing, fighters have been known to come down with crippling infections when doing this stuff without proper guidence. In all, this crap is rampant, anyone who thinks otherwise needs to take their school uniform off. Boxing is business, and unlike cycling or sprinting where you only lose prize-money and sponsorships, fighters can be devistated physically by an enhaced opponent. Moralizing won't help the game get rid of it, only across the board random testing of registered boxers. My two cents. Last edited by ecto55; 10-23-2012 at 04:06 AM.
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Francis75 Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 5,927 vCash: 1000	Re: How can we be sure guys like Cadel Evans, Choc, Green and other guys aren't juici Are you allowed to drink golden syrup from an old gatorade bottle during a fight ? No you can only drink water. Greeny has been proven on this forum by Ty to have drunk golden syrup during a fight so he is a proven cheat. Round 1 to Ty. Where is the rest of the evidence Ty ? Where are the before and after photos of Greeny ?
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10-23-2012, 05:50 AM	#74
dawsosj Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: perth Posts: 2,184 vCash: 500	Re: How can we be sure guys like Cadel Evans, Choc, Green and other guys aren't juici TC that was after the eric lucas fight in montreal and it was an unregistered doctor with a dodgy sample bag that had been tampered with, they provided a clean test the next day. There were massive amounts of enquiries after the flores fight it was all over the general forum and bj himself said he was going to follow it up, and guess what, nothing came of it.You continue to spread accusations and state that he is on the gear, as was asked before, why don't you go to a media agency and out him, or go to the boxing commissions? rather than spreading your bullshit here, because simply, you have no evidence. And why post videos that have no relevance to the subject matter.
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10-23-2012, 06:04 AM	#75
TCboxa Champion East Side Guru Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: OLYMPUS Posts: 9,697 vCash: 300	Re: How can we be sure guys like Cadel Evans, Choc, Green and other guys aren't juici Francis ill dig them up. Dawsosj, the video is relevant as it PROVES beyond doubt that Danny Green is a liar and not the honest role model he makes out to be. The doctor was not unregisterd he was the fight doctor and the bag wasnt tamperd with, as for the bag, how do you know Danny didnt tamper with the bag in order to avoid having the test? BJ Flores cant do sht to follow up nothing as the IBO is a boys club, they would have just ignored him as they ignored NSW's move to not sanction the Briggs fight, all they give a rats ass about is SANCTION FEES. Ive already addressed why i am not going to the media , it will be a collective response that will expose him if he ever is to be exposed. Tell me this, what Gateraid looks like the sht he was drinking? none that i know of and Gateraid was the only drink that was approved. it also didnt come from the orignal bottle, the label had been removed so how can the authorities be sure its been open from a bottle that hasnt been tamperd with? clearly the removal of the label indicates it has infact been tamperd with, the other red bottle he drank from didnt have the label removed, and ill ask u this again, WTF gateraid is that thick ?
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