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Old 10-23-2012, 09:54 AM   #91
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Old 10-23-2012, 10:11 AM   #92
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The taped bottle is evidence that bittles with cold liquid in the weep and may slip from sweaty hand such as those of the people in the corner, this was prevented by putting sports tape on it for better grip? It was the same for the dominquez fight in the states. It only has to be defended if it comes from a credible organisation rather than an internet poster , as for the arrogance, that is opinion, i have never encountered what i would call arrogance personally but each to their own.
"The guy from Albury" needs to be credible.
A camera picking up a guy ball tampering doesn't need to be credible. You don't have to prove how far further the ball swings, it's cheating.
Two non slip bottles and a dodgy one on live TV is not an opinion or an accusation. If the bottles were the same no one would have noticed and if that is not arrogance it is stupidity.
No one can say Danny Green is a cheat-er it hasn't been proven. I don't care.
You can't say he's a dodgy bloke because that is a baseless statement, however,
Danny Green waved around a Disc after the Briggs fight claiming it as PROOF.
I draw the conclusion from this that they DEFINITELY value evidence to PROVE a claim. A photograph is on live TV would stand up in any court in the land, your inability to provide an explanation (let alone proof) would be regarded as an assumption of guilt.
You can lose 7 Tour de France titles for that.
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Old 10-23-2012, 10:25 AM   #93
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"The guy from Albury" needs to be credible.
A camera picking up a guy ball tampering doesn't need to be credible. You don't have to prove how far further the ball swings, it's cheating.
Two non slip bottles and a dodgy one on live TV is not an opinion or an accusation. If the bottles were the same no one would have noticed and if that is not arrogance it is stupidity.
No one can say Danny Green is a cheat-er it hasn't been proven. I don't care.
You can't say he's a dodgy bloke because that is a baseless statement, however,
Danny Green waved around a Disc after the Briggs fight claiming it as PROOF.
I draw the conclusion from this that they DEFINITELY value evidence to PROVE a claim. A photograph is on live TV would stand up in any court in the land, your inability to provide an explanation (let alone proof) would be regarded as an assumption of guilt.
You can lose 7 Tour de France titles for that.
There is however no evidence of what was in the bottles, only assumptions, and assumptions based on photographs are not enough to prove somebody guilty of being a drug cheat. He could say whatever he wanted was in the bottle whether it be true or not and it would be his word against the prosecution, therefore they would have trouble finding him guilty. I agree with the majority of your post mate and thankyou for answering in a rational and comprehendible manner
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Old 10-23-2012, 10:26 AM   #94
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"The guy from Albury" needs to be credible.
A camera picking up a guy ball tampering doesn't need to be credible. You don't have to prove how far further the ball swings, it's cheating.
Two non slip bottles and a dodgy one on live TV is not an opinion or an accusation. If the bottles were the same no one would have noticed and if that is not arrogance it is stupidity.
No one can say Danny Green is a cheat-er it hasn't been proven. I don't care.
You can't say he's a dodgy bloke because that is a baseless statement, however,
Danny Green waved around a Disc after the Briggs fight claiming it as PROOF.
I draw the conclusion from this that they DEFINITELY value evidence to PROVE a claim. A photograph is on live TV would stand up in any court in the land, your inability to provide an explanation (let alone proof) would be regarded as an assumption of guilt.
You can lose 7 Tour de France titles for that.


Well put, you write very well.

Problem with the slip bottles explination is why didnt all the bottles have this non slip tape? and BJ Flores teams bottles had ZERO tape on them. If these bottles are permited to have tape on them then how can the authorities identify wtf these guys are consuming between rounds?

If i put up a photo of Danny being injected with roids by the guy from Albury who is a known juicer and is on the team the same people would argue that this guy is his personal doctor and was giving him a flu shot
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Old 10-23-2012, 10:31 AM   #95
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There is however no evidence of what was in the bottles, only assumptions, and assumptions based on photographs are not enough to prove somebody guilty of being a drug cheat. He could say whatever he wanted was in the bottle whether it be true or not and it would be his word against the prosecution, therefore they would have trouble finding him guilty. I agree with the majority of your post mate and thankyou for answering in a rational and comprehendible manner
Dawsosj, the only drinks permitted were Gateraid and poweraid, in sealed bottles only. How is it then that the Gateraid bottle with no tape on it looks completly diffrent to the one with the tape on it, both in colour and consistency? remember there is also video evidence showing how thick the substance he is drinking is and its only thick in the bottle with the tape on it which is a water bottle taped up, they have mixed something in that bottle, if they poured the Orange Gateraid into it then it would look the same as the Gateraid bottle that has no tape on it.
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Old 10-23-2012, 10:40 AM   #96
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No tape on this bottle and he has consumed atleast half of it already. I guess that this bottle has no slip surfaced embeded in to the plastic

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Like the ones BJ Flores was drinking from, also no tape. Tape on bottles for non slip was a good one but it needs to be consistant, i dont see any consistancy with the usage of this tape on these slippery bottles, only one slippery here is Danny Green and his Team with trying to cover up what they are doing. If it was Gateraid why not just leave it in its orignal bottle or tape up a gateraid bottle. It was good enough for them not to tape up the Red Poweraid and the other Water bottle so whats really going on here. imo he has cheated by consuming an illegal substance between rounds, its not like it hasnt happen before aka Panama Lewis
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Old 10-23-2012, 11:43 AM   #97
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There's an edge, then there is an advantage.
I don't personally think he got any of these from that drink in that fight. If they were drugs I would keep quiet about it because they are not very good drugs. It's a bit like getting busted with synthetic cannabis, the embarrassment is worse than the punishment.
There is NO proof Tarver was on it in the Green fight and no one seems too concerned about it. IMO that means it was a fair fight if you get my drift. The IBO are silent, it's not the Olympics it's IBO. Fairplay.
Green has never beaten anyone that he needed drugs to beat. Perhaps weight gain or recovery. Thats paying him a compliment. I can't see how you could analyse a string of spikes or troughs or phenomenal ko's throughout his career that would show he had an advantage over anyone else in boxing.
The thread says how do we know? We don't really care as long as a guy doesn't take the piss like Lance Armstrong and **** it for everyone.
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Old 10-23-2012, 07:23 PM   #98
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There's an edge, then there is an advantage.
I don't personally think he got any of these from that drink in that fight. If they were drugs I would keep quiet about it because they are not very good drugs. It's a bit like getting busted with synthetic cannabis, the embarrassment is worse than the punishment.
There is NO proof Tarver was on it in the Green fight and no one seems too concerned about it. IMO that means it was a fair fight if you get my drift. The IBO are silent, it's not the Olympics it's IBO. Fairplay.
Green has never beaten anyone that he needed drugs to beat. Perhaps weight gain or recovery. Thats paying him a compliment. I can't see how you could analyse a string of spikes or troughs or phenomenal ko's throughout his career that would show he had an advantage over anyone else in boxing.
The thread says how do we know? We don't really care as long as a guy doesn't take the piss like Lance Armstrong and **** it for everyone.
Well said.
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just ignore what ive wrote since you have no explination for it Dawsos, the screenshots not creditable because i posted them hey lol .. care to explain why there is no consistancy with the tape on the bottles? good enough to use upto 3 bottles without it but they need to put it on two other bottles, also care to explain why the orange sht in the tapped up bottle looks nothing like whats in the orignal Gateraid bottle, nor does it have the same consitancy, and dont say its frozen or its powder as ive explained that its neither of the two to which you had no rebuttle for.
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just ignore what ive wrote since you have no explination for it Dawsos, the screenshots not creditable because i posted them hey lol .. care to explain why there is no consistancy with the tape on the bottles? good enough to use upto 3 bottles without it but they need to put it on two other bottles, also care to explain why the orange sht in the tapped up bottle looks nothing like whats in the orignal Gateraid bottle, nor does it have the same consitancy, and dont say its frozen or its powder as ive explained that its neither of the two to which you had no rebuttle for.
Nigelbro pretty much summed up my feelings on the matter, i have stated my position numerous times and im getting sick of you hijacking threads
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Old 10-23-2012, 08:56 PM   #102
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Nigelbro pretty much summed up my feelings on the matter, i have stated my position numerous times and im getting sick of you hijacking threads
WHAT IS YOUR
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WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW,

'I don't know but I agree' ..
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Anyone here ever noticed that a particular cyclist, despite having a low single digit fat % has a very fleshy face....HGH bloat anyone?

Some side effects are hard to hide..mabye?

A bit like a particular swimmers enormous feet? "No wait...he was born to swim"!!!!
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Anyone here ever noticed that a particular cyclist, despite having a low single digit fat % has a very fleshy face....HGH bloat anyone?

Some side effects are hard to hide..mabye?

A bit like a particular swimmers enormous feet? "No wait...he was born to swim"!!!!
Ian Thorpe had enormous feet when he was 13. When are you suggesting he started taking drugs??
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WHAT IS YOUR
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WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW,

'I don't know but I agree' ..
Hey spastic, don't interrupt the adults when they are having a discussion with your usual dribbal, so **** off and go play with a power point, retard. You know **** all about boxing.
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