The Brawl in Montreal - who would defeat Duran on that night?

[elchivito]

Duran the naturally smaller fighter, past his prime, coming DOWN from 160 to fight Tommy at his absolute best at 154 is different, way, way different scenerio than a greener, less experienced, less developed Tommy at 147 where the best version of Duran was a combination of Basilio, Armstrong, Gavilan, and LaMotta at their primes with a right strong enough to ko Tommy as well. Nobody beats Montreal Duran not at WW they don't. You never see Duran cut the ring off after Montreal ever again. He was never in shape after Montreal either and if your an unbiased fan you should know that. You could see his love handles by then vibrate with each punch. Jiggle jiggle and jiggle some more.

[Flea Man]

Originally Posted by lufcrazy

has any fighter had quicker feet than Saensak I wonder?

Nope, except maybe SNV.

[lufcrazy]

Originally Posted by MAG1965

I see your point. I just don't think Ray was that same fighter past that point. He learned. that is like if I made a thread saying. The outboxing in New Orleans - Who would defeat Leonard on that night?

Duran of Montreal would be ruled out because he lost to Ray that night?

The thing is this. Had Ray fought Duran in Nov. 1980 like he did in June the same outcome probably- a loss. And had Ray fought Duran in Dec. of 1989 in the third fight on the inside, Duran would have won and people said "look how great Duran is beating Ray when he was 38. But Ray changed his style. That has always been my point. Duran could be out of shape or not. Ray will win. He proved with Hearns,Duran,Benitez, Hagler he could beat anyone at any level, and Duran never did. Even coming off a 3 year inactivity Ray beat Hagler. Even with a good excuse he beat great fighters.

Well obviously Leonard ain't an option because he's the one man Duran actually beat this night.

Plenty of other boxers for you to consider however.

[MAG1965]

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Originally Posted by MAG1965

well it seems tireless because my points are very simple. I am not coming up with some wild theory about gloves or something obscure. Simply, Leonard beat Duran and outclassed him in a rematch when he fought his fight when Duran was 29 and young and comfortable at a weight.[/QUOTE]


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Yup, completely comfortable. Nothing unnatural about that transition here folks. Man, Leonard was really convinced Duran was going to come in diminished, but nothing gets past you MAG. Good thing this time Leonard decided to take his speed pellets and finally evolved into Prime SRL! Man were those score-cards wide!

training is such a necessary thing. He decided not to train for Leonard, and he trained all his other fights prior to this except for Dejesus one? If every great fighter made up excuses in a big fight and those excuses were accepted, no one would know who really won. And the fact Duran made up the not in shape excuse and also came up with the steak and 2 gallons of water excuse, shows he wanted a big excuse. What I am saying is not really too brilliant on my part. I am just saying common sense. A fighter fights a different style and wins a rematch, after he fights another fighters style. He changes and makes him quit in the rematch. To me this was obvious and it is very obvious Ray was the greater fighter based on his wins over great fighters. Duran had a great career. 120 fights, 4 titles. great fighter ,but Ray eclipses Duran because Ray could beat the greats - no matter what.

[lufcrazy]

Mag, just pick and justify people who Duran didn't beat on the night in question.

I mean were talking about a population of everyone bar Leonard, you when shouldn't be finding this difficult.