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Old 10-28-2012, 09:57 PM   #106
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I will let Duran fans in on something!! Manny Pacquoui has a better win record than Duran!!!!! But Duran ate a steak and drank 2 gallons of water!!! Manny is greater!! The fab four gets this credit for being better than any other group and I dont know why!!!!
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Old 10-29-2012, 12:29 AM   #107
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no one will ever agree with you dude. this is the truth!! you said!!! "He beat Leonard by close decision in 1980 then lost to him 5 months later, LTKOby8. In 1982 he lost to Benitez. In 1983 he lost to Hagler (gave him a pretty tough night). In 1984 he wasknockedthe****out by Hearns in the 2nd round. " But the guy had an excuse allll those times!!!! take care my man.
yeah, you are probably right
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Old 10-29-2012, 12:51 AM   #108
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Honestly, these guys at the very least... had an excellent chance vs. Mr. Montreal-

Joe Walcott, Tommy Ryan, Barney Ross, Mickey Walker, Henry Armstrong, Ray Robinson, Kid Gavilan, Carmen Basilio, Emile Griffith, Marlon Starling, Donald Curry, Oscar DeLaHoya, Shane Mosley, Floyd Mayweather Jr., Manny Pacquiao, Antonio Margarito (with loaded gloves lol), Paul Williams... you just never no, no****ingbody is unbeatable!

3 guys that he did actually lose to... Leonard (Benitez, Hearns (first fight), and Duran (second fight)), Hearns (when he fought Leonard the first time), and Benitez (when he fought Leonard). I think Montreal Duran loses to them at WW.
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Old 10-29-2012, 03:43 AM   #109
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Look, I'm not saying Duran wasn't great... I'm just saying that Leonard, Hagler, Hearns, and even Benitez were better IMO. Some of you act like he had an easy night vs. Leonard in their first fight, and that's a lie.

Duran fought the best fight of his career and won a close fight vs. a very good Leonard. I feel that Leonard was better in other fights and that Leonard would have beaten the so called unbeatable "Montreal Duran".

Just my opinion, don't get all shook up over it because you think I disrespected your hero.

I remember Duran struggling vs. Buchanan (resorting to very rough tactics) before stopping him in the 13th.

I remember him getting dropped twice (in 2 seperate fights) and struggling vs. DeJesus in their 3 fights... losing to him once.

He beat Leonard by close decision in 1980 then lost to him 5 months later, LTKOby8. In 1982 he lost to Benitez. In 1983 he lost to Hagler (gave him a pretty tough night). In 1984 he wasknockedthe****out by Hearns in the 2nd round.

Wins over Lampkin and Palomino are good but not legendary.

The win over Barkley was super close and could have went either way. A great fight vs. one of the most hot and cold fighters ever!

Hey, I loved watching Duran fight but some of you guys are just too much. It's starting to get comical. Montreal Duran, Tokyo Douglas, 1992 Bowe...


Duran Was cearly beating Ken by a couple of rounds and a beating.

Duran Beat DeJeus two out of their three bouts
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Old 10-29-2012, 06:01 AM   #110
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I will let Duran fans in on something!! Manny Pacquoui has a better win record than Duran!!!!! But Duran ate a steak and drank 2 gallons of water!!! Manny is greater!! The fab four gets this credit for being better than any other group and I dont know why!!!!
You don't know why? They came to fight and had a boxing spirit which has been hard to equal in those lower divisions. They get credit for more than being great fighters and who they beat. Something about their combined different personalities and styles. None of them were the same at all. Duran, great inside fighter and technician, Leonard great boxer,puncher, Hearns boxer puncher with a tall lean jab and best right in the business, Hagler southpaw righty great chin.

I saw a video recently where Hearns was talking to Hagler and Leonard at the Hall of Fame in June and all of them are still intense after all these years. Something was different about them. It isn't about if they could beat Trinidad or Delahoya, it was more thier spirit and when you combine them which comes naturally, it was a rare time.. They sort of put themselves on the line in a unique way which sort of stays in history well. You will not see that combination of fighters again in the same way. And every fight was a story.
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You don't know why? They came to fight and had a boxing spirit which has been hard to equal in those lower divisions. They get credit for more than being great fighters and who they beat. Something about their combined different personalities and styles. None of them were the same at all. Duran, great inside fighter and technician, Leonard great boxer,puncher, Hearns boxer puncher with a tall lean jab and best right in the business, Hagler southpaw righty great chin.

I saw a video recently where Hearns was talking to Hagler and Leonard at the Hall of Fame in June and all of them are still intense after all these years. Something was different about them. It isn't about if they could beat Trinidad or Delahoya, it was more thier spirit and when you combine them which comes naturally, it was a rare time.. They sort of put themselves on the line in a unique way which sort of stays in history well. You will not see that combination of fighters again in the same way. And every fight was a story.
Spot on MAG

I watched that reality "fly on the wall" series about Duran today with his family & traveling around the world for shows ect & he was with SRL in Colorado & as they were yapping away at the dinner table you could still feel Leonard was sort of jumpy being in Duran's company. It goes without saying that Duran could'nt give a flying **** as he attacked the buffet, but Ray, even now has the persona of someone who was trying to get & would like to get roberto's respect or at least be shown it. Ray was talking at the dinner table about how Roberto gave him 60 stiches in the 3rd fight & Duran just looked & smirked, said something in spanish which everyone laughed at? proberbly along the lines of " If you did'nt run you cunt I would have sparked you" but what you said was so true, 4 incredibly different charactors with supreme skills & individual seperate motivations that all fused into one desire & that was to be KING
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Milton McCrory pre-Curry.
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Old 10-29-2012, 12:50 PM   #113
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Honestly, these guys at the very least... had an excellent chance vs. Mr. Montreal-

Joe Walcott, Tommy Ryan, Barney Ross, Mickey Walker, Henry Armstrong, Ray Robinson, Kid Gavilan, Carmen Basilio, Emile Griffith, Marlon Starling, Donald Curry, Oscar DeLaHoya, Shane Mosley, Floyd Mayweather Jr., Manny Pacquiao, Antonio Margarito (with loaded gloves lol), Paul Williams... you just never no, no****ingbody is unbeatable!

3 guys that he did actually lose to... Leonard (Benitez, Hearns (first fight), and Duran (second fight)), Hearns (when he fought Leonard the first time), and Benitez (when he fought Leonard). I think Montreal Duran loses to them at WW.
on what do you base your Tommy Ryan pick?
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Old 10-29-2012, 05:48 PM   #114
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Griffith would have beaten Duran as well.
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Old 10-29-2012, 07:34 PM   #115
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on what do you base your Tommy Ryan pick?
He has a shot just like many good and great WWs. I knew that pick would stand out
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Old 10-30-2012, 03:32 AM   #116
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He has a shot just like many good and great WWs. I knew that pick would stand out
Which performance leads you to believe this?
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:34 AM   #117
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Spot on MAG

I watched that reality "fly on the wall" series about Duran today with his family & traveling around the world for shows ect & he was with SRL in Colorado & as they were yapping away at the dinner table you could still feel Leonard was sort of jumpy being in Duran's company. It goes without saying that Duran could'nt give a flying **** as he attacked the buffet, but Ray, even now has the persona of someone who was trying to get & would like to get roberto's respect or at least be shown it. Ray was talking at the dinner table about how Roberto gave him 60 stiches in the 3rd fight & Duran just looked & smirked, said something in spanish which everyone laughed at? proberbly along the lines of " If you did'nt run you cunt I would have sparked you" but what you said was so true, 4 incredibly different charactors with supreme skills & individual seperate motivations that all fused into one desire & that was to be KING
I agree. It was a special era. All of them had different styles and personalities, but they all came to fight and loved the knockout. That is why I think their memory will last longer than guys like Floyd or Oscar, not that I am knocking Oscar and Floyd or Shane, but when you think about them you think about the individuals. When you think about Duran, Leonard, Hearns or Hagler, you think about their opponents also. Which magnifies their legend even more all these years later. It has been 23 years since the last fight of those 4 guys , and we think about them as though they are all young. I cannot imagine that Hearns is 54 and Leonard is 56 and Hagler is 58 and Duran is now 61. Just hard to believe. That is why Floyd better fight Manny. He needs a legacy with another great to be remembered. It is funny about those 4 guys. They still look competitive when they are together, although Hearns and Duran seem to be the guys who still think they can still fight. Ray and Marvin look like they accepted age more. I saw Duran on a youtube clip a year or two ago and he was saying he can beat Pacman. He wasn't just saying it. I think he really believes it.
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Milton McCrory pre-Curry.
I cannot see this. No way. Milton was tall but he had a 72 or 73 inch reach, which was not really extraordinary. I think Duran gets Milton and stops him in 5 rounds. I like Milton, but he was not in the elite class. Decent jab and he was quick. Curry beating him easily was not a fluke. I remember Milton struggling with Colin Jones in two fights, and Curry easily beating Jones. I didn't expect Milton to be stopped in 2 rounds the way he was, but Curry proved much more prior to that. But I love Milton's personality and he looked like a nice person.
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Old 10-30-2012, 10:39 AM   #119
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Griffith would have beaten Duran as well.
I doubt it. But possible.
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If you told me Mayweather vs. Duran was on the books and I had to bet everything, my money's on Mayweather.
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