Is Lucas Matthysse overrated?

Dynamito_2012 · 10-23-2012, 09:42 AM

looking at the opponents his faced and knocked out, would you say he's overrated? I understand that he's knocked the majority of his opponents out, but they were just c level fighters from Argentina.

If he comes up against a real test, againsst someone who is a good boxer with good power and speed, how well will he fair then?

lufcrazy · 10-23-2012, 09:45 AM

well he got robbed against alexander and judah. plus he destroyed soto.

Son of Gaul · 10-23-2012, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by lufcrazy

well he got robbed against alexander and judah. plus he destroyed soto.

Oh come on now...just because he scored a KD does not mean he got robbed. IMO, Zab's jab dictated the pace for most of the fight and he won more rounds than Matthysse through pure ring generalship...plain and simple.

janeschicken · 10-23-2012, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Son of Gaul

Oh come on now...just because he scored a KD does not mean he got robbed. IMO, Zab's jab dictated the pace for most of the fight and he won more rounds than Matthysse through pure ring generalship...plain and simple.

He lost by Split Decision in both Alexander and Judah's back yards respecitively (St, Louis and New Jersey). It's quite obvious he deserved the nod in both fights.

Son of Gaul · 10-23-2012, 10:27 AM

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He lost by Split Decision in both Alexander and Judah's back yards respecitively (St, Louis and New Jersey). It's quite obvious he deserved the nod in both fights.

I'm not being testy here but why is it so obvious to you that he won? It was very clear to me that Zab controlled the pace of the fight and slipped /blocked many shots that appeared to land. Rounds 3,4 and 6 were very close rounds so maybe you gave all 3 to Lucas?

mrjotatp4p · 10-23-2012, 10:29 AM

No he isn't.

shimmy · 10-23-2012, 10:30 AM

I don't think he's overrated. I for one just find him fun to watch, he's in exciting fights and is clearly one of the top fighters in the 140 division at this time. There is a lot of interesting fights to be made in that division right now, and most of them would be made better if he is a part of them. I'd love to see him in with Garcia next.

saul_ir34 · 10-23-2012, 10:45 AM

Well when he was scheduled to fight Morales a year ago I was literally scared for Morales health. With the Danny fights I knew Morales would lose but never was scared for his health.

Alright so you are bringing up his Argentine past. You know he recently moved to the USA to train and just started training with Sergio Martinez. His training regime has improved and so have his performances.
The big knock on him was always that he started late in his fights. This was obviously a big mistake against slick fighters Judah and Alexander. Judah fought the fight of his life that night and still should have lost. Alexander is a guy who is known for being tough and does not mind to trade also a very big LWW. Another fight where Matthysse started late but once he got going Alexander was literally running from Matthysse. He tasted the power and did not want any of it. Need I remind you Alexander just fought Bailey who is known for his punching power at WW and after getting hit with 2 consecutive flush right hands from Bailey he was never stunned and kept wanting to trade with Bailey.

Matthysse is only getting better. He has tightened up his defense and his power can bail him out of fights at any time as he carries his power 12 rounds. The problems he has had is his height in my opinion. He is only 5'6" which means he can be outboxed by taller fighters with jabs. Even when fighters have tried that thoguh he is good enough and has the power to put them down.

lufcrazy · 10-23-2012, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Son of Gaul

Oh come on now...just because he scored a KD does not mean he got robbed. IMO, Zab's jab dictated the pace for most of the fight and he won more rounds than Matthysse through pure ring generalship...plain and simple.

it does actually. I thought the two won 6 rounds a piece, the KD was the difference.

recycling · 10-23-2012, 10:47 AM

Most of mathysse recent opponents did try and box him. And they were southpaw. If Alexander went 12 I think it would be a clear robbery for mathysse since he was owning the second half of that fight except 9. Fact is mathysse eventually got to the boxers and knocking each of em down. Soto never koed and gave Alexander his first kd koed ajose. and they were all faster then him. There are really no other boxers type at light welter for him to face although I'm probably wrong here

Heavy Handed · 10-23-2012, 12:08 PM

No, he's a bit under rated actually. He is the real king of 140 IMO. Garcia got that mantle by the path of least resistance.

dinovelvet · 10-23-2012, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Son of Gaul

I'm not being testy here but why is it so obvious to you that he won? It was very clear to me that Zab controlled the pace of the fight and slipped /blocked many shots that appeared to land. Rounds 3,4 and 6 were very close rounds so maybe you gave all 3 to Lucas?

He should of knocked out Judah if he wanted to win , but he couldn't.

miniq · 10-23-2012, 12:21 PM

He deserves to fight for the belts @ 140

So face the 'best' fighters @ 140

He himself is defintly one of the best @ 140

Nothing to overrate.

Little Pea · 10-23-2012, 12:25 PM

Being overrated is not a fact.
It's an opinion.
So your question is wrong.
It should be "do you think he is overrated?"

I can't answer your question in his actual form.
And nobody should even try to.

CASH_718 · 10-23-2012, 12:26 PM

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well he got robbed against alexander and judah. plus he destroyed soto.

Both close fights I had Alexander just winning and Judah just losing and Soto is a blown up fighter that could never beat world class guys at 130 yet jumped all the way to 140 and just got raped by a guy that he had no shot against. Plus Soto got overrated.

Matthyesse is very good but people are acting like he's unbeatable. He is overrated but it's not his fault. He COULD beat most guys at 140 but he could also get outboxed by a few and I honestly think Rios could slug with him and win. Rios is honestly faster and more skilled then Matthysse but no one will ever admit it because Rios sucks on this site.

10-23-2012, 09:42 AM	#1
Dynamito_2012 Gatekeeper ESB Full Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: England Posts: 477 vCash: 500	Is Lucas Matthysse overrated? looking at the opponents his faced and knocked out, would you say he's overrated? I understand that he's knocked the majority of his opponents out, but they were just c level fighters from Argentina. If he comes up against a real test, againsst someone who is a good boxer with good power and speed, how well will he fair then?
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10-23-2012, 09:45 AM	#2
lufcrazy requiescat in pace East Side VIP Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: England, Up North Posts: 22,448 vCash: 330	Re: Is Lucas Matthysse overrated? well he got robbed against alexander and judah. plus he destroyed soto.
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mrjotatp4p THE ONE East Side Guru Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 6,876 vCash: 500	Re: Is Lucas Matthysse overrated? No he isn't.
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shimmy Belt holder ESB Addict Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 2,234 vCash: 75	Re: Is Lucas Matthysse overrated? I don't think he's overrated. I for one just find him fun to watch, he's in exciting fights and is clearly one of the top fighters in the 140 division at this time. There is a lot of interesting fights to be made in that division right now, and most of them would be made better if he is a part of them. I'd love to see him in with Garcia next.
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10-23-2012, 10:45 AM	#8
saul_ir34 Champion East Side Guru Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 9,763 vCash: 675	Re: Is Lucas Matthysse overrated? Well when he was scheduled to fight Morales a year ago I was literally scared for Morales health. With the Danny fights I knew Morales would lose but never was scared for his health. Alright so you are bringing up his Argentine past. You know he recently moved to the USA to train and just started training with Sergio Martinez. His training regime has improved and so have his performances. The big knock on him was always that he started late in his fights. This was obviously a big mistake against slick fighters Judah and Alexander. Judah fought the fight of his life that night and still should have lost. Alexander is a guy who is known for being tough and does not mind to trade also a very big LWW. Another fight where Matthysse started late but once he got going Alexander was literally running from Matthysse. He tasted the power and did not want any of it. Need I remind you Alexander just fought Bailey who is known for his punching power at WW and after getting hit with 2 consecutive flush right hands from Bailey he was never stunned and kept wanting to trade with Bailey. Matthysse is only getting better. He has tightened up his defense and his power can bail him out of fights at any time as he carries his power 12 rounds. The problems he has had is his height in my opinion. He is only 5'6" which means he can be outboxed by taller fighters with jabs. Even when fighters have tried that thoguh he is good enough and has the power to put them down.
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10-23-2012, 10:47 AM	#10
recycling Journeyman ESB Jr Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 222 vCash: 500	Re: Is Lucas Matthysse overrated? Most of mathysse recent opponents did try and box him. And they were southpaw. If Alexander went 12 I think it would be a clear robbery for mathysse since he was owning the second half of that fight except 9. Fact is mathysse eventually got to the boxers and knocking each of em down. Soto never koed and gave Alexander his first kd koed ajose. and they were all faster then him. There are really no other boxers type at light welter for him to face although I'm probably wrong here
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10-23-2012, 12:08 PM	#11
Heavy Handed I keep planets in orbit ESB Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: The Infinite Posts: 1,178 vCash: 500	Re: Is Lucas Matthysse overrated? No, he's a bit under rated actually. He is the real king of 140 IMO. Garcia got that mantle by the path of least resistance.
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miniq 移动像水 ESB Addict Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: England Posts: 4,645 vCash: 75	Re: Is Lucas Matthysse overrated? He deserves to fight for the belts @ 140 So face the 'best' fighters @ 140 He himself is defintly one of the best @ 140 Nothing to overrate.
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10-23-2012, 12:25 PM	#14
Little Pea 'A' grade boxing fan East Side Guru Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Montreal Posts: 5,886 vCash: 806	Re: Is Lucas Matthysse overrated? Being overrated is not a fact. It's an opinion. So your question is wrong. It should be "do you think he is overrated?" I can't answer your question in his actual form. And nobody should even try to.
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