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Old 10-25-2012, 10:44 PM   #16
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Believe me I dont mean that denigrate Moore. Hes one of my favorites. But there are long stretches where he is on the ropes and you literally see the exasperation on his face as he has no opportunity. Marciano was throwing so many punches it was ridiculous.
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Old 10-26-2012, 12:37 AM   #17
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Moore was one of those rare guys who could fight as either Lightheavy or Hvyweight without really losing anything.

Moore was a great fighter in his own right the night he met Marciano.
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Old 10-26-2012, 01:28 AM   #18
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This is Marciano's most impressive performance to me. Watch how he pins Moore on the ropes and gives him absolutely no breathing space and throws so many punches that Moore cant do anything but bob, weave, and get hit.

Its really remarkable. I cant recall ever seeing another heavyweight, Frazier included, with a work rate as high as Marciano showed in that fight.
Yeah, except Marciano didn't really pin Moore on the ropes. Moore went over to the ropes himself, and every time he made a concerted effort to get off the ropes, he succeeded. It's just that once he was hurt, he never completely recovered, never got his legs back.
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Old 10-26-2012, 12:32 PM   #19
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Yeah, except Marciano didn't really pin Moore on the ropes. Moore went over to the ropes himself, and every time he made a concerted effort to get off the ropes, he succeeded. It's just that once he was hurt, he never completely recovered, never got his legs back.
There was no rest for Moore, on the ropes, the middle of the ring, Marciano just kept punching from different angles.....Moore thought Marciano was going to be easy to hit but it was a different story sharing a ring with the man. Marciano poured it on and turned it up when he wanted to.

Moore stated the right hand he threw was one of the hardest punches he ever threw and that is pretty impressive for a man who owns the All Time KO record but Marciano jumped right up and other than that flash KD, Rocky dominated Moore, who was on his greatest win streak over the top heavyweight and light heavyweights of the era
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Old 10-26-2012, 01:40 PM   #20
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This is Marciano's most impressive performance to me. Watch how he pins Moore on the ropes and gives him absolutely no breathing space and throws so many punches that Moore cant do anything but bob, weave, and get hit.

Its really remarkable. I cant recall ever seeing another heavyweight, Frazier included, with a work rate as high as Marciano showed in that fight.
I remember that. He was just throwing and throwing and throwing. What makes it so remarkable is that after ~10 consecutive Marciano punches, Moore comes back but Marciano immediately ducks and slips. Most sluggers can't be bothered by defense after that intensity. Marciano was wild but always kept his cool.
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Old 10-26-2012, 02:15 PM   #21
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I remember that. He was just throwing and throwing and throwing. What makes it so remarkable is that after ~10 consecutive Marciano punches, Moore comes back but Marciano immediately ducks and slips. Most sluggers can't be bothered by defense after that intensity. Marciano was wild but always kept his cool.
Yeah, it was impressive. Its easy to underrate the Rock these days but he was a beast.

I watched that fight with a buddy a couple of months ago. I had not seen it in a few years and it was like watching it for the first time again. I just could not get over how active Marciano was.

Its a great film to watch because you can read both guys so well. You can just watch Moore thinking and trying to lay traps. Then when Marciano starts pouring on the punches you can see Moore thinking to himself "I'll just slip and move and in a few more punches he will get arm weary and then its my turn."

When he starts to realize that Marciano is not getting arm weary and the punches keep coming he seems to age 10 years in seconds. You can just watch the worry creep over his face.
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Old 10-27-2012, 12:54 PM   #22
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pre-fight Archie quote"I have watched Marciano fight and I have taken him apart like a watchmaker takes a watch apart. Marciano won't be able to solve my defensive style, he can't and won't hit me" Marciano will miss more punches than he has ever before because I have the right style to beat him. Marciano lacks defense and I will pour it on when he misses"


" I stepped back a half step, twisted my hip and hit him flush in the face with one of the best right hands I ever threw in my life.

"Rocky made a great comeback to batter me down"

"I felt I was in the ring that night with one of the greatest fighters of my time.

" Only time will reveal the Rock was a great fighter and a great man"
Moore did make Rocky miss quite a bit. In one round I counted 17 or 19 ( I forget the exact number ) clean whiffs where Rocky's gloves touched nothing but air.

Moore lacked the durability and stamina to defeat Marciano when they meet. I think Rocky looked at his best vs. Layne, Louis, and Walcott. He looked like he was on the decline vs. Moore.
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Old 10-27-2012, 12:58 PM   #23
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Moore did make Rocky miss quite a bit. In one round I counted 17 or 19 ( I forget the exact number ) clean whiffs where Rocky's gloves touched nothing but air.

Moore lacked the durability and stamina to defeat Marciano when they meet. I think Rocky looked at his best vs. Layne, Louis, and Walcott. He looked like he was on the decline vs. Moore.
I agree, he was getting slower and slower with each fight after 1952, even if only a bit. Against Moore his punches didn't seem as sharp as they were against Louis, Layne, or Walcott.

Using brute strength, power, and work rate, he demolished Moore, though.
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Old 10-27-2012, 01:29 PM   #24
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Two amazing fighters; Marciano and Moore. Great era of boxing, it would be incredible to see them fighting today with better quality cameras and angles.
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Old 10-27-2012, 05:36 PM   #25
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Moore was over forty when he fought Marciano ... while he was able to pull it together against many heavyweights even at an advanced age he could not against the best two he faced in Marciano and Patterson ...

Moore also said " whenever I'm asked to name the best I ever fought they always want to hear Marciano but it was Burley."
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Old 10-27-2012, 06:21 PM   #26
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Moore was over forty when he fought Marciano ... while he was able to pull it together against many heavyweights even at an advanced age he could not against the best two he faced in Marciano and Patterson ...

Moore also said " whenever I'm asked to name the best I ever fought they always want to hear Marciano but it was Burley."

Moore was 38 when he fought Marciano. Not over 40. I also think Marciano fought a better prepared slighty improved version of Moore than Patterson did.

Funny how Moore said Burley was the best he ever fought, instead of Ezzard Charles. Sounds like sour grapes to me. Charles was far greater than Burley.
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Old 10-28-2012, 07:09 AM   #27
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It Took Moore many years to develop as a fighter. He became the great veteran fighter because he had the sense to preserve himself on the road during the war years against a lower level of fighter when he couldn’t get a break into the big time. Nobody could when the titles were frozen anyway. You either kept fighting other contenders or went on the road. The California circuit was too competitive and he couldn’t get a break in New York so he went on the road. By doing so Archie was able to outlast a lot of talented guys who burnt each other out then cashed in with all his experience. Moore was a well preserved, experienced fighter, as close to an old head on young shoulders as you will ever get. His efficient style evolved out of necessity and it made him a better fighter then he would have been in his 20’s IMO.
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Old 10-28-2012, 10:22 AM   #28
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Moore was 38 when he fought Marciano. Not over 40. I also think Marciano fought a better prepared slighty improved version of Moore than Patterson did.

Funny how Moore said Burley was the best he ever fought, instead of Ezzard Charles. Sounds like sour grapes to me. Charles was far greater than Burley.
Funny how you quote as if you have undisputed facts ... Moore's age remains hugely open to debate ... very, very few non-nuthuggers claim with any degree of certainty he was 38 ... regardless, the knockdown aside after round two it was not that close a fight because Moore was old and could not maintain the pace a still prime Marciano forced him to maintain ... doubtful he beats Marciano even at his best ...
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Old 10-28-2012, 10:30 AM   #29
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Question is how many prime fighters would be able to maintain that pace. Not many.
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Old 10-28-2012, 11:17 AM   #30
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According the 1920 census Moore was just over three years old at the time. Making his birthdate 1916. He would have been 38 when he fought Marciano.

The confusion about his age arose from his mother claiming the date as 1913.

There is a big difference in size between 3 year old and a 6 year old as any parent knows.

I'll go with the official record on this one.
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