Was Calzaghe's masterclass V Roy Jones the most . . . . . . .

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the silky skills.
too quick
too strong
too slick

[MAJR]

Originally Posted by irishny

Perhaps..can ANY of that be said for Jones though?

No. But that would make the statment "Calzaghe only went to America when the best fighters were shot as much as the houses in Palestine" half right or half wrong depending on your point of view.

Personally I see the Calzaghe/Jones fight as a big payday and nothing more, but the Calzaghe/Hopkins fight was a legitimate contest where the Super Middlewight King was stepping up to take on the Light Heavyweight King, two guys in the top Pound for Pound list facing off against each other, not a contest where one guy was at the top of his game and the other was a shadow of his former greatness. Frankly, Hopkins was dangerous enough at the time, and stayed dangerous enough afterward, that it is an insult to him to say his loss to Calzaghe was anything to do with "age" or being "shot"

[knockout artist]

Originally Posted by HerolGee

again, you mean to say, its you who wants to be convinced I am saying banned anabolic steroids cant bring boxers advantages, because if I did say that, it allows you the false conviction to fabricate your 'word to wise' speech. If you'd followed what I wrote you wouldnt be writing that.

You stated:

Originally Posted by HerolGee

Guru.

Just one thing to add - anabolic steroids dont increase reflexes and speed, nor stamina. They increase muscle mass, and therefore exertion strength alone. Incidentally, if taken long term they decrease stamina due to changes in heart muscle shape and thus efficiency.

Now carry on, please.

So in essence, you refuse to acknowledge the advantages that anabolic steroids can bring to elite athletes? Or you agree that I was right before when I stated they allowed for increased intensity in training? Which would in turn improve all of the aforementioned attributes?

Be clearer herol, no-one is following you which is why you have a handful of posters laughing at you

[HerolGee]

Originally Posted by knockout artist

You stated:




So in essence, you refuse to acknowledge the advantages that anabolic steroids can bring to elite athletes? Or you agree that I was right before when I stated they allowed for increased intensity in training? Which would in turn improve all of the aforementioned attributes?

Be clearer herol, no-one is following you which is why you have a handful of posters laughing at you

By being clear, do you mean to include my post on BMR, or are you discluding that so that you dont lose your argument?

in a nutshell, the bit you missed is that muscle mass increases basal metabolic rate, and muscle mass can be gained with or without steroids. BMR leads to enchancements not related to exertion strength.

You must understand that the body is a set of related organs and tissues that interact.

[Mind Reader]

Originally Posted by timeout

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the silky skills.
too quick
too strong
too slick

Look at how sluggish Roy's punches look... Some of the slowest I have seen him throw.. He is sucking wind pretty hard too, not seen much in prime Jones.. Also, look at how his legs look like they have 10 lb weights on them..

[skier47]

Masterclass performance by Joe. Both men were close to the same age so no advantage there to Joe. Joe came to New York to fight Roy so advantage to Roy. Joe outspeeded and outboxed a still very hard hitting, quick-handed Roy in an awesomely entertaining fight. The recently deceased and great Manny Steward stated as late as the seventh or eighth round that the fight could go either way. He also stated early in the fight as the action heated up that neither man had ever faced a fighter with the speed that these two boxers brought to the table that night in the big apple. Just a great, entertaining fight and a wonderful victory to conclude the storied career of an all-time great boxer, Joe Calzaghe.

[knockout artist]

Originally Posted by HerolGee

By being clear, do you mean to include my post on BMR, or are you discluding that so that you dont lose your argument?

in a nutshell, the bit you missed is that muscle mass increases basal metabolic rate, and muscle mass can be gained with or without steroids. BMR leads to enchancements not related to exertion strength.

You must understand that the body is a set of related organs and tissues that interact.

None of that is pertinent to what I asked

Do you seriously deny that anabolic steroids can lead to increased power, speed and stamina? (The key words being 'can lead to')

[paulrufus]

Silly thread.

[paulrufus]

Originally Posted by skier47

Masterclass performance by Joe. Both men were close to the same age so no advantage there to Joe. Joe came to New York to fight Roy so advantage to Roy. Joe outspeeded and outboxed a still very hard hitting, quick-handed Roy in an awesomely entertaining fight. The recently deceased and great Manny Steward stated as late as the seventh or eighth round that the fight could go either way. He also stated early in the fight as the action heated up that neither man had ever faced a fighter with the speed that these two boxers brought to the table that night in the big apple. Just a great, entertaining fight and a wonderful victory to conclude the storied career of an all-time great boxer, Joe Calzaghe.

Troll alert!

[bailey]

Originally Posted by Mind Reader

Roy Jones is from New York?

Where have I said that. I wrote home fighter not hometown fighter.
You dummys think Calzaghe was at home by fighting in Scotland a completely different country.
Jones is American and the fight was in America. Jones was the home fighter

[HerolGee]

Originally Posted by knockout artist

None of that is pertinent to what I asked

Its ENTIRELY relevant but you dont want to admit it is.

[Do you seriously deny that anabolic steroids can lead to increased..

I'll break up the wheat from the chaff for you, since you are making things up again. I dont know why you feel the need to do that.

power

you are assuming I would claim they dont lead to increased power, when I've already written that they increase power. Why would you do that? I dont reverse your claims. Just read or better still quote what I wrote next time.

speed and stamina?

comparing athletes with the same muscle mass gain one steroided, one nonsteroided, not they dont. Both undrugged and drugged athletes with the same muscle mass will feel the same increase in Basal metabolic rate (which affects energy levels).

And of course, excessive muscle gain slows you down.

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Originally Posted by bailey

Where have I said that. I wrote home fighter not hometown fighter.
You dummys think Calzaghe was at home by fighting in Scotland a completely different country.
Jones is American and the fight was in America. Jones was the home fighter

well said bailey.
Its a simple premise, but it appears that the janks are struggling with this concept.

They think if they leave their state, they are in another country.

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Originally Posted by Mind Reader

Look at how sluggish Roy's punches look... Some of the slowest I have seen him throw.. He is sucking wind pretty hard too, not seen much in prime Jones.. Also, look at how his legs look like they have 10 lb weights on them..

Dont see it that way sorry.
He still looks fast and those punches are carrying some power. After all hes roided and last thing fighter loses is power.

Its true his sucking wind hard. thats because joe roughed him up in the stomach like a 12 year old girl 2 rds prior to that.

[The Mangler]

Joe beat up a guy who couldn't fight at the elite level anymore. It's that simple.

[knockout artist]

Originally Posted by HerolGee

Its ENTIRELY relevant but you dont want to admit it is.

Denial

I'll break up the wheat from the chaff for you, since you are making things up again. I dont know why you feel the need to do that.

Projection

you are assuming I would claim they dont lead to increased power, when I've already written that they increase power. Why would you do that? I dont reverse your claims. Just read or better still quote what I wrote next time.

comparing athletes with the same muscle mass gain one steroided, one nonsteroided, not they dont. Both undrugged and drugged athletes with the same muscle mass will feel the same increase in Basal metabolic rate (which affects energy levels).

And of course, excessive muscle gain slows you down.

Distortion


3 textbook defence mechanisms all on display in this mess of a post

In essence, we both know that using banned anabolic steroids can lead to the enhancement of all the aforementioned attributes. You've been made to look silly, and are now banging your head against a wall trying to convince yourself that everyone's wrong but you

An athlete on steroids gets an opportunity to get more of this hormone in order to enhance body performance and gain muscle mass. Athletes make use of anabolic steroids as they help them reduce fatigue levels to a considerable extent, this help them perform tirelessly for long time durations without any exertion. Steroids offer a unique ability to athletes by acting as a buffer when lactic acid is produced during physical exertion.


Athletes on steroids run faster as their endurance capacity is almost doubled or tripled after using AAS. It is medically proven that stacking (combination of two or more steroids at the same time) of steroids can help an athlete achieve dramatic effects without looking unreal. The fact that steroids increase muscle growth by enhancing protein synthesis along with a sizeable contribution to metabolic activities is one of the biggest reasons why more and more athletes are making use of steroids in today’s times. Steroids are also known for their untraceable nature as they have a water based composition and can easily pass through the body in just a matter of two days.

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Anabolic steroids, depending upon the particular drug being used, have a number of effects upon the body.

Among Other Things They:


Increase the body's ability to utilize protein, allowing an athlete to train with greater intensity without going into negative nitrogen balance (losing muscle mass);
Increase the ability to build muscle mass;
Increase the ability to build strength;
Increase the ability to build endurance;
Act as an anti-inflammatory, both helping to protect the body from injury and speeding up recovery after injury has occurred.

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