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Old 10-26-2012, 05:20 PM   #16
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Id pick Andre Ward to beat anyone in or around 168 at the moment, Fortunately there are options the pick being Sergio Martinez.
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he cleaned out already though
Already?

Wow, that divison really sucks big time.
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Old 10-26-2012, 09:53 PM   #18
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His next opponent should be his own fear of fighting abroad.
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Old 10-27-2012, 09:00 AM   #19
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Wow!!!!

And I am not even impressed.
We know, Pacquiao's not on.
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Old 10-27-2012, 09:00 AM   #20
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Id pick Andre Ward to beat anyone in or around 168 at the moment, Fortunately there are options the pick being Sergio Martinez.
Martinez is too busy trying to fight Welterweights.
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Old 10-27-2012, 09:11 AM   #21
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Ward is fighting in a very weak SMW era, where there isnt good comp.
Look at the current top 10 and most have not beat anyone of note.

Wards best win is Kessler and he was beaten by an old past best champ at the end of his career and was, rusty and suffering double vision.

I think Bute would be the best fight for Ward. Yes Bute lost to Froch, but Ward although physically strong, does not have one punch KO power.
ward ducked Bute for a reason.
I dont think Ward would want Bute too close due to Butes body shots and I could see Bute forcing Ward to make mistakes.
Ward lost a massive opportunity not fighting Bute, as Ward has not fought any undefeated world champs or top undefeated fighters.

Bute / Ward I think would be a good one, but I wonder if Bute will ever be the same again after what Froch did to him
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Old 10-27-2012, 09:13 AM   #22
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Martinez is too busy trying to fight Welterweights.
Sounds like Hopkins when he was MW champ.
At least Martinez used to fight at WW, Hopkins turned pro inside CW. Martinez only became a MW because a shot at Pavlik came up.
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Old 10-27-2012, 09:33 AM   #23
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Sounds like Hopkins when he was MW champ.
At least Martinez used to fight at WW, Hopkins turned pro inside CW. Martinez only became a MW because a shot at Pavlik came up.
Oh yeah, two welterweights who were Middleweight champions when they fought.

Mind telling me what Joe Cal was doing at the time... OH yeah:
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Old 10-27-2012, 09:40 AM   #24
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Are there no other names there?

I thought that the 168 is so good as most idiots here claim?
He's beaten pretty much everyone you braindead spunkstain.
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Old 10-27-2012, 09:46 AM   #25
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yeah,he beaten all the leftovers and the cab drivers this week division has to offer.Warddke never fought an undefeated fighter,he had his chance to unify against an undefetaed Bute but he chicken out disgracefuly like the fagget he is
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Old 10-27-2012, 09:54 AM   #26
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Oh yeah, two welterweights who were Middleweight champions when they fought.

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Not sure why you are bringing up Calzaghe, he was beating top SMWs who were world class like Eubank, Reid, Woodhall, Veit, Brewer, Mitchell all fighters who have held a SMW title and other top 10 SMWs that were willing to face him.

You say only 2 WW champs.
Think you are forgetting - Simon Brown and Carl Daniels fought at WW to go with Oscar and Tito

Also have you forgotten Hopkins calling out Mosely, Mayorga and Margarito when WW champs, isnt that chasing WWs?

Then we could go on to the LMWs he was after when full on MW champ.
Hopkins has made a point of fighting naturally smaller fighters for alot of his career, Sergio hasnt made that same point as Hopkins
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Not sure why you are bringing up Calzaghe, he was beating top SMWs who were world class like Eubank, Reid, Woodhall, Veit, Brewer, Mitchell all fighters who have held a SMW title and other top 10 SMWs that were willing to face him.

You say only 2 WW champs.
Think you are forgetting - Simon Brown and Carl Daniels fought at WW to go with Oscar and Tito

Also have you forgotten Hopkins calling out Mosely, Mayorga and Margarito when WW champs, isnt that chasing WWs?

Then we could go on to the LMWs he was after when full on MW champ.
Hopkins has made a point of fighting naturally smaller fighters for alot of his career, Sergio hasnt made that same point as Hopkins
Stop reading there world class SMW Eubank??? at the time of Joe fight didnt beat decent fighter in who knows how long before Joe fight and wasnt even training for SMW fight if i remember right...
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Old 10-27-2012, 11:39 AM   #28
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I would hope now he has pretty much beat most not everyone but most at a poor 168 level why not move up and take a few 175 guys on.

Hopkins
Cloud
Bellew

But there is a problem there as well.

175 and 168 are the poorest I have seen these divisions in years.

There so poor that it would be better if he could get some 160 guys to come up for big pay days.

Martinez
Golovkin
Pirog
Geale
Quillin
Chavez Jr

160 has the better overall talent and fighters for Ward to have a real fight against.

IMO
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Wow!!!!

And I am not even impressed.
Heartbreaking avatar, at least it's good to know Pacquiao finally hugged you for your overemotional keyboard efforts. Choke on a McNugget already, midget.
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Old 10-27-2012, 06:22 PM   #30
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Stop reading there world class SMW Eubank??? at the time of Joe fight didnt beat decent fighter in who knows how long before Joe fight and wasnt even training for SMW fight if i remember right...
I bet you rate Wards win over Kessler...? Read on you will enjoy

Calzaghes win over Eubank/Wards win over Kessler

It was Wards 21st fight, Ward was 25
It was Calzaghes 23rd fight, Calzaghe was 25

Ward won at home
Calzaghe won away

When Ward beat Kessler, Kessler was 42-1-0
When Calzaghe beat Eubank, Eubank was 45-2-2

Kessler was 31
Eubank was 31

Kessler was 8-1 in world title fights
Eubank was 17-2-2 in world title fights

It was just under 3 years since Kessler beat a world rated opponent
It was just under 3 years since Eubank beat a world rated opponent

Kessler had only fought 3 completed rounds in 1 fight in a year before fighting Ward
Eubank had only fought 7 completed rounds in 2 fights in a year before fighting Calzaghe

Kesslers only loss was clear
Eubanks 2 losses - first was very close (debateable) the second was a SD, to the same fighter.

Kessler was favourite to win.
100 years of Boxing News claims Calzaghe was underdog, I have read Calzaghe was underdog but some posters claim he was betting favourite, though.
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Notes Eubank was a strong favourite, but dont know where the site got its info.

Both Ward and Calzaghe had dominant performances with Calzaghe scoring 2 KDs.

After the loss Kessler beat undefeated WBC champ Froch
After the loss Eubank fought WBO CW champ Thompson and lost a close decision scoring a KD. Eubank fought a return with the bigger Thompson and lost on injury when ahead. Thompson was a CW and the only fighter to have beaten D Haye at CW.

I have read how people on ESB say Eubank was shot so -
How far past prime was Eubank to you then?
Eubank had lost a close decision to Collins, that many thought he won, had a couple of tune ups and rematched Collins to a SD, had a couple of tune ups and lost clearly to underdog Calzaghe. After that loss Eubank went up to CW and challenged world champ Thompson losing a very close decision and then rematched Thompson losing on injury when ahead. Thats Thompson who years later past his best KOd D Haye.
Consider Eubank only had 2 losses to one fighter when he fought Calzaghe, the second by SD to a world champ and was 31 then went on to challenge a big CW flooring him etc, how past his prime do YOU think he was?
Remember Kessler is Wards big win and was the same age as Eubank here and had around the same amount of fights, so is Kessler shot as well, because Kessler has a serious eye problems and was an unwell double vision suffering fighter who has been inactive for a while now due to his injury


Remember when you make silly comments about losses was G Johnson considered past his prime when years ago after losing to Hopkins he went 7-9-2 including the Hopkins loss

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