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Old 10-26-2012, 09:08 PM   #1
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imo these fighters, while recognized as greats, don't get the full respect they truly deserve.

heavy - evander holyfield
light heavy - tommy loughran
middle - lloyd marshall
welter - oscar de la hoya
light - ike williams
feather - salvador sanchez
bantam - panama al brown
fly - pancho villa
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Old 10-26-2012, 09:19 PM   #2
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imo these fighters, while recognized as greats, don't get the full respect they truly deserve.

heavy - evander holyfield
light heavy - tommy loughran
middle - lloyd marshall
welter - oscar de la hoya
light - ike williams
feather - salvador sanchez
bantam - panama al brown
fly - pancho villa
Nice shout out for Loughran.....but w/ the exception of those who picked Billy Conn to beat him in a hypo H2H, he really isn't that underrated.
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Old 10-26-2012, 09:22 PM   #3
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I always thought Tony Zale at middleweight just for the reason that at the time a fight was trying to be planned between him and Ray Robinson and many thought Tony would win and so do i he was great
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Heavy - Jack Sharkey
Lt. Heavy - Victor Galindez
Middle - Vito Antuofermo
Jr. Middle - Ayub Kalule
Welter - Angel Espada
Jr. Welter - Eddie Perkins
Light - Rodolfo Gonzalez
Jr. Light - Kuniaki Shibata
Feather - Ruben Olivares (at 126)
Bantam - Chucho Castillo
Fly - Venice Borkorsor
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Old 10-26-2012, 10:10 PM   #5
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imo these fighters, while recognized as greats, don't get the full respect they truly deserve.

feather - salvador sanchez
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Old 10-26-2012, 10:12 PM   #6
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I always thought Tony Zale at middleweight just for the reason that at the time a fight was trying to be planned between him and Ray Robinson and many thought Tony would win and so do i he was great
Zale`s not beating Robinson, lets not go overboard.
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Old 10-26-2012, 10:16 PM   #7
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heavy - Sonny Liston
light heavy - Maxie Rosenbloom
middle - Chuck Burley
welter - oscar de la hoya
light - Shane Mosley
feather - Manny Pac
bantam - panama al brown
fly - pancho villa
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Old 10-26-2012, 11:33 PM   #8
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Zale`s not beating Robinson, lets not go overboard.
Lamotta, Turpin, Basilio and Fullmer, they all can beat SRR, but Tony Zale, that bum, he doesn't stand a snowball chance in hell

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Lamotta, Turpin, Basilio and Fullmer, they all can beat SRR, but Tony Zale, that bum, he doesn't stand a snowball chance in hell

FFS Colonel, Fullmer and Basilio? Robinson was well past it when he came back in 1955 in his mid-30s after a nearly three-year retirement, and those fights occured even a couple years after that. He still got both of them in incredibly satisfying rematch wins. Those guys were great fighters yes, but the Wins are rated high especially due to circumstance and the stage of his career Robinson was in at the time. LaMotta had 16 lbs on him, and was stopped the only time he fought a legit MW version (the sixth time) though it's still a GREAT win for Jake regardless. Turpin, alright.
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Old 10-27-2012, 12:08 AM   #10
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ok, i understand that sanchez is usually considered one of the greats of the division but i think he's one of the best fighters i've ever seen. i understand we never got to see the downside of his career but h2h at feather he is a complete beast.
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Old 10-27-2012, 12:19 AM   #11
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I think Ezzard Charles has to earn a spot, possibly in multiple divisions.
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FFS Colonel, Fullmer and Basilio? Robinson was well past it when he came back in 1955 in his mid-30s after a nearly three-year retirement, and those fights occured even a couple years after that. He still got both of them in incredibly satisfying rematch wins. Those guys were great fighters yes, but the Wins are rated high especially due to circumstance and the stage of his career Robinson was in at the time. LaMotta had 16 lbs on him, and was stopped the only time he fought a legit MW version (the sixth time) though it's still a GREAT win for Jake regardless. Turpin, alright.
I do know an older, lesser version of SRR lost to Basilio and Fullmer, but you made it sound like Zale doesn't belong in a ring with SRR. I don't think Zale is a lesser fighter than Turpin.

and here, starting at 31:16, some interesting stuff about a potential Zale-SRR fight

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcMDraAEEvg[/ame]
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I do know an older, lesser version of SRR lost to Basilio and Fullmer, but you made it sound like Zale doesn't belong in a ring with SRR. I don't think Zale is a lesser fighter than Turpin.

and here, starting at 31:16, some interesting stuff about a potential Zale-SRR fight

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No I didn't, that was Bill Butcher! Never said Zale wouldn't have a shot either, mayne. I was responding specifically to all the mentioned losses.
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Old 10-27-2012, 02:30 AM   #14
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I always thought Greg Haugan is a bit underated, great tough battler who had his moment at the top along side some proper good fighters!
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Old 10-27-2012, 05:19 AM   #15
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Somtimes you get a fighter who is a dominant force in a division for a significant period, who literaly falls off the map. Jeff Clark is such an example. He was a huge force at midleweight and light heavyweigh at his peak, seen as an uncrowned champion by many, but today he is forgotten.
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