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Old 10-27-2012, 04:23 PM   #1
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Since Ali is regarded by most people here as the greatest heavyweight of all time, speculation about who might have beaten him is inevitable.

We have all heard the obvious suggestions such as Jeffries, Johnson, Dempsey, Louis, Marciano, Holmes, Tyson and Lewis.

How about some less obvious suggestions?

Can you find another Ken Norton, i.e. a fighter who is not in his class as a heavyweight but has the style or tools to beat him?

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Old 10-27-2012, 04:31 PM   #2
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Since Ali is regarded by most people here as the greatest heavyweight of all time, speculation about who might have beaten him is inevitable.

We have all heard the obvious suggestions such as Jeffries, Johnson, Louis, Marciano, Holmes, Tyson and Lewis.

How about some less obvious suggestions?

Can you find another Ken Norton, i.e. a fighter who is not in his class as a heavyweight but has the style or tools to beat him?
Jeffries: No.
Johnson: No.
Louis: No. But would fare far better than the above two IMO.
Marciano: No. Ali might well stop Marciano.
Holmes: Maybe, but I'd fancy Ali go get the better of the battle of the jabs
Tyson: No. Not going into it again. Could go anywhere but gut says Ali.
Lewis: Maybe. Ali was quicker and could well outmove Lennox, but Lewis had a great jab, heavy hands, but again I think Ali would beat him to the jab and was quicker of hand and foot.

I'm going for Thad Spencer.
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Old 10-27-2012, 04:34 PM   #3
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Nice topic, perhaps Jersey Joe would be one of my first picks. He has good power to keep Ali cautious but has the style to really trouble Ali and give him something to think about.
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I like Walcott as a potential dark horse
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Old 10-27-2012, 04:36 PM   #5
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Nice topic, perhaps Jersey Joe would be one of my first picks. He has good power to keep Ali cautious but has the style to really trouble Ali and give him something to think about.
darn, beat me to it
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Old 10-27-2012, 04:42 PM   #6
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I like Walcott as a potential dark horse
This is the kind of pick I am looking for.

A fighter who is outside the top 10, like Ken Norton, but has the style to potentialy pull the trick.

Be bold.
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Old 10-27-2012, 04:43 PM   #7
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Prime Tyson beats him from that list
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Harold Johnson would have given Ali fits
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Old 10-27-2012, 04:49 PM   #9
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Harold Johnson would have given Ali fits
I would be interested to hear your reasoning for that prediction.
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I would be interested to hear your reasoning for that prediction.
Because he could jab with Ali. Also, Ali had trouble with textbook counterpunchers, elite fighters with handspeed who didn't make many technical mistakes. Ali won't be able to throw johnson off his game, because johnson always remained calm, textbook, and compact. Johnson loses this fight because Ali would find a way to win, but not before he gets dazzled by johnsons boxing expertise.
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Old 10-27-2012, 04:54 PM   #11
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Checkout this Janitor

Johnson beats a top rated fighter(who had just gone 10 nearly even rounds with Muhammad Ali) by 15 rounds to ZERO in one of the best boxing displays in ring history

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Old 10-27-2012, 04:55 PM   #12
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Because he could jab with Ali. Also, Ali had trouble with textbook counterpunchers, elite fighters with handspeed who didn't make many technical mistakes. Ali won't be able to throw johnson off his game, because johnson always remained calm, textbook, and compact. Johnson loses this fight because Ali would find a way to win, but not before he gets dazzled by johnsons boxing expertise.
Certainly plausible.
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Old 10-27-2012, 05:30 PM   #13
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Jeffries: No.
Johnson: No.
Louis: No. But would fare far better than the above two IMO.
Marciano: No. Ali might well stop Marciano.
Holmes: Maybe, but I'd fancy Ali go get the better of the battle of the jabs
Tyson: No. Not going into it again. Could go anywhere but gut says Ali.
Lewis: Maybe. Ali was quicker and could well outmove Lennox, but Lewis had a great jab, heavy hands, but again I think Ali would beat him to the jab and was quicker of hand and foot.

I'm going for Thad Spencer.
\Wrong Flea, Clay?Ali , never saw the day he could beat the Joe Louis
of the Max Baer fight...Ali could run but he couldn't HIDE...Louis in his prime utterly destroyed everyone,whereas Ali lost to Norton, dropped by
a Henry Cooper,lost and dropped by Joe Frazier, and had to use RopaDope
because he didn't punch hard enough to keep men off him...If Ali
was not controversial and colorful, his reputation as the "greatest"
would not have existed as it is today... Brave yes ?... An all around great fighter as Ray Robinson or Ray Leonard ? No. Would Ali beat a dynamic young Joe Louis. ? NAY...
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Old 10-27-2012, 06:00 PM   #14
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Walcott is a brilliant, brilliant shout. Prime for prime there really aren't many, though. I don't care how much flack I get, I still think Tyson could pull it off.
Of course he could.

Give me anybody’s top 20 heavyweight list, and I am sure that #20 will have a good chance against #1, unless there is a big stylistic dynamic working against him i.e. Louis Patterson.
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Old 10-27-2012, 06:12 PM   #15
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\Wrong Flea, Clay?Ali , never saw the day he could beat the Joe Louis
of the Max Baer fight...Ali could run but he couldn't HIDE...Louis in his prime utterly destroyed everyone,whereas Ali lost to Norton, dropped by
a Henry Cooper,lost and dropped by Joe Frazier, and had to use RopaDope
because he didn't punch hard enough to keep men off him...If Ali
was not controversial and colorful, his reputation as the "greatest"
would not have existed as it is today... Brave yes ?... An all around great fighter as Ray Robinson or Ray Leonard ? No. Would Ali beat a dynamic young Joe Louis. ? NAY...
Of course i respect your opinion BB but to use an example of a Prime Louis against examples of a non-prime Ali is hardly a level playing field. Its no more different than me citing the Louis who was bounced around by Schmeling against the Ali of the Terrell fight
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