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Old 10-27-2012, 10:20 PM   #16
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Tyson beat contenders. They were giving away paper championships like potato chips. in Louis day there was only one hwt champion so typically the undeserving were not called champion.
He erased his division.

Guys like Berbick, Thomas and Tubbs would lay waste to those breadline bums Louis called opponents.
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Old 10-27-2012, 11:01 PM   #17
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Silly...Many of the fighters Louis fought would beat up on all three. Also none of the three where hwt champion of the world.
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Old 10-28-2012, 09:42 AM   #18
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He erased his division.

Guys like Berbick, Thomas and Tubbs would lay waste to those breadline bums Louis called opponents.
Thomas was the only guy of the 3 that could fight even though he only had a left hand.... Berbick would get no where near top 10 in Joes era...and Thomas was back on smack before the Berbick fight, I knew some guys from his area and he started heavy use again before the Berbick fight...Thomas had a great jab but his fight against Coetzee was a draw or could have went to Gerrie but Coetzee was no Max Baer.....They would merly be bums of the month in Joes era dispite the steriods....Tyson showed you what The Fat boy Tubbs was worth so would Louis....Berbick would also bounce around the ring but Joe Louis finish him quickly
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Old 10-28-2012, 10:05 AM   #19
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When they fought the ages were

Max Schmeling = 33
Braddock = 32
Sharkey = 34
Carnero = No point listing age as everyone knows that story
Max Baer = 25

Louis was 23, 24, 25.....even as late as the 1970s 33 was considered way over the hill
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Old 10-28-2012, 10:10 AM   #20
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Thomas was the only guy of the 3 that could fight even though he only had a left hand.... Berbick would get no where near top 10 in Joes era...and Thomas was back on smack before the Berbick fight, I knew some guys from his area and he started heavy use again before the Berbick fight...Thomas had a great jab but his fight against Coetzee was a draw or could have went to Gerrie but Coetzee was no Max Baer.....They would merly be bums of the month in Joes era dispite the steriods....[COLOR="rgb(0, 191, 255)"]Tyson showed you what The Fat boy Tubbs was worth so would Louis....[/color]Berbick would also bounce around the ring but Joe Louis finish him quickly
[COLOR="rgb(0, 100, 0)"]Thomas had a great left hand AND a respectable right hand. Just watching the excellent right uppercutts and right crosses he landed on Tillis is enough to see he was not the left handed fighter you say he was. Anyway, he was known back then for having a good right hand.[/color]


Tyson didn't show shit. Tyson had a habit of trashing good fighters.

Carl Williams arguably beat Holmes. ----- Tyson KO1
Tubbs beat Page and went the distance with Spoon. ----- Tyson KO1
Berbick beat Tate, Page, Bey, Thomas ----- Tyson TKO2
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Old 10-28-2012, 10:37 AM   #21
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[COLOR="rgb(0, 100, 0)"]Thomas had a great left hand AND a respectable right hand. Just watching the excellent right uppercutts and right crosses he landed on Tillis is enough to see he was not the left handed fighter you say he was. Anyway, he was known back then for having a good right hand.[/color]


Tyson didn't show shit. Tyson had a habit of trashing good fighters.

Carl Williams arguably beat Holmes. ----- Tyson KO1
Tubbs beat Page and went the distance with Spoon. ----- Tyson KO1
Berbick beat Tate, Page, Bey, Thomas ----- Tyson TKO2
Tyson ko'ed Tubbs in round 2.
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Deontay Wilder is almost there, now. Hence
the moniker.
Wilder already beat Galento´s grandson.....

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUlfI5VlZuY[/ame]
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Old 10-28-2012, 01:24 PM   #23
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Wilder already beat Galento´s grandson.....

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I..............dont know what to say.


You sure this aint Ricky Hatton?
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Old 10-28-2012, 01:26 PM   #24
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Hahahahahaha
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Thomas was the only guy of the 3 that could fight even though he only had a left hand.... Berbick would get no where near top 10 in Joes era...and Thomas was back on smack before the Berbick fight, I knew some guys from his area and he started heavy use again before the Berbick fight...Thomas had a great jab but his fight against Coetzee was a draw or could have went to Gerrie but Coetzee was no Max Baer.....They would merly be bums of the month in Joes era dispite the steriods....Tyson showed you what The Fat boy Tubbs was worth so would Louis....Berbick would also bounce around the ring but Joe Louis finish him quickly
Berbick was a pretty good fighter that could have cracked that top 10 in the thirties.. Perhaps even beaten guys like Braddock and Carnera. He beat prime versions of Page, Thomas and took a peak Holmes 15 rounds.. The man was no slouch.
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Old 10-28-2012, 04:35 PM   #26
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It is a magnificent acomplishment.

It has to be noted that there are not many if any other eras, where there would have been five active former lineal champions to beat.
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Old 10-28-2012, 06:49 PM   #27
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Ali missed out ingo, otherwise (like Joe Louis) muhammad also faced all the champions active during his entire career. Marciano also beat all the active champions that he could have. Joe Louis is the tops though.
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Old 10-28-2012, 07:56 PM   #28
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Tyson ko'ed Tubbs in round 2.
yes, I didn't check
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Unbelievable. All by knockout too

1935

Primo Carnera TKO 6- Former Champ
Max Baer - KO 4 - Former Champ

1936

Jack Sharkey KO 3 - Former Champ
Max Schmeling L by KO 12- Former Champ

1937

James J Braddock KO 8- Current Champion

1938

Max Schmeling KO 1- Former Champion


Has a heavyweight champion ever gone through 5 former heavyweight champions like that? Most of them outside of Sharkey, were still near there prime.
He also beat Jersey Joe Walcott... 6 Lineal HW Champs


Holyfield beat these LINEAL HW Champs-

Foreman W12
Holmes W12
Tyson KO11 and WDQ3
Douglas KO3
Bowe W12 (he also lost twice to Bowe)
Moorer KO8 (he also lost once to Moorer)
Rahman WTD8

He also drew with and lost once to Lewis.

He beat many fighters who were World Titlist-

Booze (WBO) W8
Qawi W15 and KO4
Ocasio KO11
Parkey KO3
DeLeon KO8
Thomas KO7
Dokes KO10
Mercer (WBO) W10
Czyz KO5
Ruiz W12 (he also lost to and drew with Ruiz)
Botha KO8

...and we all know he beat Valuev
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Old 10-28-2012, 08:29 PM   #30
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Yes, like it or not... no fighter has beat as many Lineal HW Champs as Evander Holyfield (7). He went 8-4-1 (3) vs. Lineal HW Champs. He went 12-5-1 (8KO) vs. other guys that owned belts with the words, "World Champion" on them (IBF, WBA, WBC, and WBO belts only). He was 137 years old when many of these fights took place. So, lets add that up... 20-9-2 (11), nothing to sneeze at!
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