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Old 10-29-2012, 02:51 PM   #31
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They both knocked him down but he was never hurt? Only in a Marciano thread.

Anyway their chins were about even.
There is a thing I call Stunned and a think called hurt but it could also be called great recuperative power. When Frazier was dropped by Bonavena 2X he looked hurt but to his credit he rallied, he was also visibly hurt in fights he did not go down in but I still think Frazier had a very good chin but Marciano had a better chin and a better defense and recuperative ability.
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Old 10-29-2012, 03:34 PM   #32
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Jerry Quarry wacked pretty good and in the first Frazier go he caught Joe on the button with some solid right hands that didn't seem to buzz him at all, and Walcott caught the Rock with some wicked looking shots that didn't seem to bother him much either. Bonnavena dumping Joe twice is the oddity in their two stories and Oscar was not a big banger.
Not that i completely agree about de Cream vs Markegiano part , but Quarry did not wack pretty good , and he buzzed Frazier well .

Quarry seemed laik e gud finisher vs Shavers , bat seemed e veri bed finisher vs Frazier in der 1st fayt .
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Old 10-29-2012, 03:42 PM   #33
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Default Re: Who had the better chin, Marciano or Frazier?

Magoo,

The men Marciano fought were a lot more than just "accurate" punchers. Clearly none of them compare to George Foreman in terms of power, but perhaps your underselling there power?


Marciano fought guys who are rated # 1, # 4, and # 63 on Ring Magazine's top 100 greatest punchers of all time list. Marciano went 4-0 with 4 knockouts against these men.
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Old 10-29-2012, 04:56 PM   #34
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Old 10-29-2012, 05:02 PM   #35
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I'll go with Frazier on pure guesswork alone.

He fought bigger, harder hitting guys, in their prime.

Frazier was also naturallly bigger which helps.

Who said Chuvalo buzzed Frazier? I dont recall that.

Anyone who thinks Quarry could not whack never saw him fight. The guy held a record for years in the amateurs for stoppages in a tournament (may still hold it).

Quarry had a dynamite punch he just did not have the discipline to always set it up right.
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Old 10-29-2012, 08:32 PM   #36
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I'll go with Frazier on pure guesswork alone.

He fought bigger, harder hitting guys, in their prime.

Frazier was also naturallly bigger which helps.

Who said Chuvalo buzzed Frazier? I dont recall that.

Anyone who thinks Quarry could not whack never saw him fight. The guy held a record for years in the amateurs for stoppages in a tournament (may still hold it).

Quarry had a dynamite punch he just did not have the discipline to always set it up right.
I don't either
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Old 10-30-2012, 02:27 AM   #37
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I'll go with Frazier on pure guesswork alone.

He fought bigger, harder hitting guys, in their prime.

Frazier was also naturallly bigger which helps.

Who said Chuvalo buzzed Frazier? I dont recall that.

Anyone who thinks Quarry could not whack never saw him fight. The guy held a record for years in the amateurs for stoppages in a tournament (may still hold it).

Quarry had a dynamite punch he just did not have the discipline to always set it up right.
I have seen Quarry fight , vs Frazier , Chuvalo , Norton , Shavers and maybe Ali as well . But I did not watch him in de amateurs .

But de level @ de amateurs was far from telling , was it not ? at least by de time and weight that he fought at .
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Old 10-30-2012, 06:35 AM   #38
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Great thread, not a lot in this but would say Marciano
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Old 10-30-2012, 08:55 PM   #39
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Who had the better set of whiskers, Rocky or Smokin' Joe?
I would say Marciano.
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Old 10-31-2012, 12:01 AM   #41
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Archie Moore said no one he ever fought had chin like Marciano, Walcott, who fought a lot of guys too, said same.
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I'll go with Frazier on pure guesswork alone.

He fought bigger, harder hitting guys, in their prime.

Frazier was also naturallly bigger which helps.

Who said Chuvalo buzzed Frazier? I dont recall that.

Anyone who thinks Quarry could not whack never saw him fight. The guy held a record for years in the amateurs for stoppages in a tournament (may still hold it).

Quarry had a dynamite punch he just did not have the discipline to always set it up right.
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I'll go with Frazier on pure guesswork alone.

He fought bigger, harder hitting guys, in their prime.
Other than Foreman, who did he fight that could really punch? Frazier never fought Ron Lyle, Earnie Shavers, Sonny Liston, and Mac Foster. Frazier's management wanted no part of the bigger punchers.

Joe Louis, Archie Moore, Jersey Joe Walcott were bigger punchers than George Chuvalo, Jerry Quarry, and Oscar Bonavena.

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Old 10-31-2012, 09:15 AM   #43
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I'd say Marciano because I saw Frazier stunned more often, particularly against Chuvalo, Ramos, Stander, Quarry, etc. Both guys had good chins but Joe was hurt more.
LOve the rumor mill ...

Frazier was not stunned against Chuvalo nor Quarry ... Stander is highly questionable ... In addition to being dropped by Walcott and Moore Marciano was badly hurt by Lowry and stunned by Vingo ... the facts are that Joe not only fought bigger punchers but did so near blind in one eye through out his career .. talk about a handicap ... that being said both guys had terrific chins ...when you fight their type of style you must be a warrior in every sense ..
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Old 10-31-2012, 10:12 AM   #44
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Other than Foreman, who did he fight that could really punch? Frazier never fought Ron Lyle, Earnie Shavers, Sonny Liston, and Mac Foster. Frazier's management wanted no part of the bigger punchers.

Joe Louis, Archie Moore, Jersey Joe Walcott were bigger punchers than George Chuvalo, Jerry Quarry, and Oscar Bonavena.
you underestimate Quarry's power

Bonavena a decent puncher too
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Old 10-31-2012, 01:22 PM   #45
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Other than Foreman, who did he fight that could really punch? Frazier never fought Ron Lyle, Earnie Shavers, Sonny Liston, and Mac Foster. Frazier's management wanted no part of the bigger punchers.

Joe Louis, Archie Moore, Jersey Joe Walcott were bigger punchers than George Chuvalo, Jerry Quarry, and Oscar Bonavena.
Archie Moore, Walcott bigger punchers than Chuvalo, Quarry and Bonavena? That's nonsense man. Joe Louis maybe can qualify in terms of comparison power.

Contracts were on the table for Frazier to fight Lyle and Shavers. Yeah, they never happened. I think Joe would have whupped Mac Foster. Besides, Foster got KOed in a fight for the right to a title shot against Frazier.

The only fighter you mentioned that I can believe Durham wanted Frazier to avoid was Liston.
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