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Old 12-27-2012, 03:39 PM   #1
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Default Abraham claims to be negotiating with Pavlik.

At a place that they are even deleting hints of now.

Claims being the operative word here. Saurland has been caught in this lie before. Throw the name out the fans want to hear with NO intention of making the fight. Abraham won't fight a live body unless Saurland doesn't pay what ever alphabet soup org enough to make sure he doesn't have to face a credible mandatory.
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Old 12-27-2012, 03:42 PM   #2
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Well Pavlik ain't a "live body" any longer so following your post this fight could be possible.
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Old 12-27-2012, 03:44 PM   #3
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Well Pavlik ain't a "live body" any longer so following your post this fight could be possible.
Why is he not a "live body" ? he lost the title in a close fight to Martinez (who dominates everyone else) and has won every fight since then.
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It's a possibility after Sieglitz II.

Good matchup.

I'd favour AA at this point in time.
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Old 12-27-2012, 03:45 PM   #5
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At a place that they are even deleting hints of now.

Claims being the operative word here. Saurland has been caught in this lie before. Throw the name out the fans want to hear with NO intention of making the fight. Abraham won't fight a live body unless Saurland doesn't pay what ever alphabet soup org enough to make sure he doesn't have to face a credible mandatory.
That is great news and I hope the settle this one once and for all. No point in Pavlik fighting Ward and getting owned/humiliated.
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Old 12-27-2012, 03:46 PM   #6
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Why is he not a "live body" ? he lost the title in a close fight to Martinez (who dominates everyone else) and has won every fight since then.
Yeah because he fought Jaco and Sigmon. Who were obviously live bodies according to our little friend Hermit.
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Old 12-27-2012, 03:49 PM   #7
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That is great news and I hope the settle this one once and for all. No point in Pavlik fighting Ward and getting owned/humiliated.
Abraham won't fight a live body unless forced. This fight will not happen. Saurland knows exactly Abraham's limitations now. Arum isn't dumb enough to let Kelly fight in a Saurland event in Germany. We know what that means.
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At a place that they are even deleting hints of now.

Claims being the operative word here. Saurland has been caught in this lie before. Throw the name out the fans want to hear with NO intention of making the fight. Abraham won't fight a live body unless Saurland doesn't pay what ever alphabet soup org enough to make sure he doesn't have to face a credible mandatory.
Hope this is true, this would be one hell of a fight.
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Old 12-27-2012, 03:55 PM   #9
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Abraham won't fight a live body unless forced.
Seriously man?, he was forced into the super six where he fought the likes of Ward, Froch, Taylor and Dirrell? How can one be forced to fight four elites consecutively?, he could have pulled a Kessler and escaped with his tail between his legs. That said, since when was Pavlik a live body?, his biggest wins remain Taylor x2 and Miranda, anything else apart from those wins?, nothing. Abraham has a better record than Pavlik at this stage, compared to Pavlik he is the live body.
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Old 12-27-2012, 03:55 PM   #10
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Still a marketable fight, especially in Germany or in Los Angeles where there's a big Armenian commmunity (and Pavlik trains nearby in Oxnard).
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better fight for Pavlik than Ward is.
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Old 12-27-2012, 03:58 PM   #12
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Great fight and a tough one to call. Two punchers with good chins. I can see Pavlik outworking Abe to a UD if he still has anything left. Sounds like Stieglitz is next for Abraham though.
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Seriously man?, he was forced into the super six where he fought the likes of Ward, Froch, Taylor and Dirrell? How can one be forced to fight four elites consecutively?, he could have pulled a Kessler and escaped with his tail between his legs. That said, since when was Pavlik a live body?, his biggest wins remain Taylor x2 and Miranda, anything else apart from those wins?, nothing. Abraham has a better record than Pavlik at this stage, compared to Pavlik he is the live body.
Hahah thanks for putting the dots on the I's man. Hermit is kinda biased isn't he.
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Old 12-27-2012, 04:01 PM   #14
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Seriously man?, he was forced into the super six where he fought the likes of Ward, Froch, Taylor and Dirrell? How can one be forced to fight four elites consecutively?, he could have pulled a Kessler and escaped with his tail between his legs. That said, since when was Pavlik a live body?, his biggest wins remain Taylor x2 and Miranda, anything else apart from those wins?, nothing. Abraham has a better record than Pavlik at this stage, compared to Pavlik he is the live body.
AA could not make MW and vacated his belt to got into the SS so he didn't have his trinket to nurse so that was a different story. Look at Abraham's defenses at MW. He had one solid mandatory that somehow got suddenly demoted/avoided. Forget the name off the top of my head. Saurland thought AA would come in second to Kessler when he put that together. Taylor was known to be shot. Dirrell and Ward were prospects designed to make the Euro's look good. (Boy did that backfire) Kelly is exactly the wrong type of fighter for AA. Too tall and too strong. He can stand back and split the guard or hook around it. They may make Kelly a ridiculous offer, but believe me, it will be ridiculous. AA wanted the friggin moon to fight Kelly before which is why the fight never got made.
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Old 12-27-2012, 04:09 PM   #15
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Good thing Kelly isn't known as a body puncher. If this goes down in Germany, it's illegal to hit AA there. Trunks up to the nipples and elbows in.

It would sell out the Home Depot Center. AA brought a huge crowd here when he fought Ward, and Kelly is training pretty close by.
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