Hearns right on Hagler instead of Duran

[MAG1965]

Originally Posted by yancey

Getting back to your topic, if an undamaged Hearns had hit Hagler with the same exact shot in the same flush way, then I'm guessing Hagler gets counted out.

It was one hell of a shot.

Hagler was smart to get Hearns to throw punches wildly. Not that he planned for Hearns to break is hand, but had Hearns had a slower paced fight he would have been able to time that right hand. Hagler knew he had to fight wild and he put his all mentally and physically into the fight. But you could tell just how that first punch hurt Hagler, had Tommy not broken his right hand he might have been able to keep on hurting Marvin.

[McGrain]

"I'm gonna break every bone in Tommy Hearns body."

"Sounds like you have a personal vendetta against Tommy, Marvin?"

"...not really."

[Clinton]

Originally Posted by yancey

Getting back to your topic, if an undamaged Hearns had hit Hagler with the same exact shot in the same flush way, then I'm guessing Hagler gets counted out.

It was one hell of a shot.

Really? Based on what evidence? No question it was a helluva shot, but Hagler was hit cleanly by big punchers before and after he fought Hearns, and besides never being knocked out, the only knockdown Hagler suffered was when he was off balance coming in against Roldan. There is no evidence whatsoever to indicate any punch that Tommy WOULD HAVE landed, would have caused Hagler to be "counted out".

[Hands of Iron]

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[KuRuPT]

Wobbly... I never saw hagler wobbly in this fight or any fight really. As far as the question goes... nothing would've happened to Hagler.. it just would've pissed him off

[Waynegrade]

Originally Posted by 80s champs

We all knew what happened in the Hagler Hearns showdown.Tommy was able to sting Hagler in the opening first while pretty much backing up,but it was temporary.because Hagler had an awesome game plan by pretty much rushing the hit man. How would Hagler's chin have held up if he was caught flush on the chin like Duran was by an agressive Hearns.(Hagler again never gave Hearns the chance to really load up,Hearns Hand was gone in the first round) Hagler's Chin was amazing.That Right by Hearns on Duran though sure looked like a missle in which no one would survive.

Are you kidding ? I was at the fight live and believe me, Hearns broke his right hand bagibng it off MMH rock solid whiskers... He landed that bomb a few times in round 1. First off, he never staggered Hagler . Second after that Hagler walked through him and through anything Hearns fired away with. Hagler had one of THE best chins in the history of boxing. A weel after the fight Hearns was saying averyone but Hagler knows he had a knoclout punch and said he was looking for the ringpost to hit him as well. Hearns landed the shots, hagler walked right through them...

[Waynegrade]

Originally Posted by MAG1965

Hagler was smart to get Hearns to throw punches wildly. Not that he planned for Hearns to break is hand, but had Hearns had a slower paced fight he would have been able to time that right hand. Hagler knew he had to fight wild and he put his all mentally and physically into the fight. But you could tell just how that first punch hurt Hagler, had Tommy not broken his right hand he might have been able to keep on hurting Marvin.

He was not even wobbled... Hagler took bombs from them ALL without ever getting staggered. Briscoe,Hart,Monroe, Mugabi, too many to list. f anyone thinks the results could have been any different, you need to watch it again.

[Waynegrade]

Originally Posted by MAG1965

The reason Duran was hit with such a clean right was because he was wobbling and moving back to the ropes and Tommy jabbed him to the body and that made Duran drop his left so Hearns landed a punch with all his force. Duran didn't know where he was at that point. But if Duran was not wobbling I doubt Tommy could have landed that sort of punch on Duran with that force. Tommy had been hitting and hurting Duran since the mid point of round one.

With Hagler? I still do think that if Tommy would not have broken his right hand he might have stopped Hagler because Hearns first big right wobbled Hagler and Tommy would have kept throwing them. Tommy should have tied up Marvin and tried to slow the fight down a little and get a well leverage right in. I think he could have dropped Hagler at least and slowed him down and then he could have used his jab to pick Marvin apart with the jab and swell him up and cut him and get a TKO on cuts. By the time the fight slowed in round 2, Tommy was tired and had the broken hand. Had Tommy in round 2 not had a broken hand Hagler would have really had his chin tested. But even regardless of that, Hagler had such a great chin.. Just the fact Hearns broke his hand on Hagler's head when he rarely broke it on anyone else's head except the injury against Benitez, it still shows how strong Marvin's neck muscles were to absorb it and make Tommy's hand fracture.

BTW, it wasn`t Hagler`s `neck` muscles. But, Goody told me that once early on in Haglers career, they noticed something on a cat scan. Haglers skull was actually thicker than that of a normal skull. Goody thought that played a part in Hagler being able to withstand anyone`s shots without blinking.

[Waynegrade]

Originally Posted by yancey

Getting back to your topic, if an undamaged Hearns had hit Hagler with the same exact shot in the same flush way, then I'm guessing Hagler gets counted out.

It was one hell of a shot.

Yep right ! Never was actually floored and Hearns Ko`s him. Perfect !

[80s champs]

Just a simple question,the duran punch from hearns catching hagler solid on the chin,just like in the way duran was posed.The Hagler that fought hearns was very prepared to rush him and make him fight,and would not allow the hitman to chase,which is where he gets his leverage. awe whatever lola shame a rematch never happened.

[Waynegrade]

Being there and seein it live and countless times watch it. In the first round, Hearns had his shot land on MMH`s chin. Hagler absorbed it, walked through him, and left him crumpled on the canvas... Does anyone really think that in a rematch, hearns would fare any better ? It was CLEARLY established that Hagler COULD take Hearns shot. Also that Hearns could not take Hagler`s pressure or inside work . Is everyone forgetting what an incredible chin Hagler had ??????? And next time, or with a perfect punch, Hearns Ko`s Hagler ? Hagler beats him each and every time out ...

[MAG1965]

Originally Posted by Waynegrade

He was not even wobbled... Hagler took bombs from them ALL without ever getting staggered. Briscoe,Hart,Monroe, Mugabi, too many to list. f anyone thinks the results could have been any different, you need to watch it again.

Nice that you went to that fight. Well that first first big punch wobbled him. I am not sure where in the stadium you were at , but I have a better view of fights I have been to live then when I went home to watch it on tv than when I was actually watching it live. .Hagler had to get his legs back a little , but he recovered well and fast and kept punching. Hearns never hurt him much again, although Hagler was getting tired in round 3, but Hearns was ready to go. I am as sure of Hagler being hurt as I am of when the cut happened in round one.

[MAG1965]

Originally Posted by Waynegrade

Being there and seein it live and countless times watch it. In the first round, Hearns had his shot land on MMH`s chin. Hagler absorbed it, walked through him, and left him crumpled on the canvas... Does anyone really think that in a rematch, hearns would fare any better ? It was CLEARLY established that Hagler COULD take Hearns shot. Also that Hearns could not take Hagler`s pressure or inside work . Is everyone forgetting what an incredible chin Hagler had ??????? And next time, or with a perfect punch, Hearns Ko`s Hagler ? Hagler beats him each and every time out ...

honestly. I think Hearns had a chance. A good one. The fact Hagler came out so aggresive shows that he knew if he fought a slower paced fight Hearns would be able to land the jab and pick him apart and land a leveraged right because Tommy would get some range, and Hagler said I wanted to stay close and tuck my chin in. That style put him close to Tommy so Tommy had to fight backing up and off balanced and close, something Barkley did also. When Roldan fought Hearns like that, Tommy had a hard time lining him up for a big punch also, but then Tommy was more calm and held Roldan and landed eventually with body punches but Roldan was no Hagler obviously. With Barkley in the first and second fights, had Tommy had a round or two in the rematch more he would have stopped Barkley as he would have in 1988 with a round or two and not being careless.

I think Hagler knew he put his all mentally and physically in his fight with Hearns and that he could not do that again. He might have been able to beat him, but the rematch would be a slower pace and Hearns would have been able to establish a jab and picked apart Marvin. Marvin was swelling after round one a little, and in round 3 he looked somewhat swelled on his left side. I could very well see Hearns beat Hagler if the fight were a slower pace. At that fast pace it favored Marvin. No way do I see Marvin winning everytime out. Regardless of Marvin winning, Tommy hit him easily. I remember that, and a slower pace. Well who knows. Remember Marvin is the guy who won the fight, and he felt he had to fight Tommy aggressive or he would not win.

[MAG1965]

Originally Posted by Waynegrade

Yep right ! Never was actually floored and Hearns Ko`s him. Perfect !

Hearns knocked out guys other people could not. You have to remember, Hagler fought that style of brawling as a tactical decision. And Hearns saw Hagler come out that way and saw it as an opportunity to land his big punch. The stronger middleweight won. But to think the rematch would have resembled that fight at all I don't think so. Hagler never wanted to fight Hearns again, and he would have had to fight him again since Hearns beat Shuler who was number one contender. It was a great fighter, but not your typical superfight. This was a wild punching brawl in round one and this rarely happens. It made the fight outcome more random than had they fought their typical styles.

[MAG1965]

Originally Posted by 80s champs

Just a simple question,the duran punch from hearns catching hagler solid on the chin,just like in the way duran was posed.The Hagler that fought hearns was very prepared to rush him and make him fight,and would not allow the hitman to chase,which is where he gets his leverage. awe whatever lola shame a rematch never happened.

The punch Hearns landed on Duran would never have landed on Duran if Duran had not been hurt. Duran would have ducked it like Leonard did in round 3 in 1989 after he was knocked down. Sort of like the last punch Hagler landed on Hearns would have never hit Hearns when Tommy was not hurt. They were finishing punches, but not punches a top guys like Hearns or Duran gets hit with when they are not hurt.