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Old 11-05-2012, 11:05 AM   #46
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What would happen if Klitschko called out Ali's opponents?



Of the 61 fights that Ali fought 29 wouldn't be allowed nowadays as heavyweight because one or both opponents were below 200 lbs at the time of the bout. In other words they would run as cruiser fights (or below) and Klitschko wouldn't be allowed to stage them.


Of the remaining 32 fights Ali lost 4.


Of the remaining 28 fights Ali fought 10x against opponents LIGHTER than Eddie Chambers (Wladimir Klitschko's lightest opponent), thus today's fans would shout "they should move down to cruiserweight" and "it's proof of how the division sucks" or what a mismatch it is.


Of the remaining 18 fights 2 wouldn't be allowed for medical reasons: Joe Frazier was blind on his left eye and Cleveland Williams was gunshot. Another proof of the "dire state of the division"


Of the remaining 16 fights Ali couldn't KO his opponents in 10 fights (within 12 rounds) thus they would be "proof of how featherfisty Wlad is with a KO'ratio of 38%" and that "Marciano would KO this bum Wlad in 1 round"


Of the remaining 6 fights 1 was a bum [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] (25-11) which would be another proof for the "worst era in heavyweight boxing"


Of the remaining 5 fights 2 were against guys coming off a loss (Ron Lyle, Alvin Lewis) and fans would accuse Wlad of "cherry-picking".


Of the remaining 3 fights 2 were against [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] and fans would speculate about how the mob or Wladimir's radical Muslim friends have illegally influenced the outcome, since both endings (shoulder injury, phantom punch) were highly suspicious. Fans would complain that Sonny Liston didn't come to fight since he chickened out as soon as he saw fit.


The remaining 1 fight was against an opponent who gassed in the heat and sultriness of the rain season in the rain forest (George Foreman) and fans would shout "Lame, nowadays heavies cannot go 15 rounds anymore like Joe Louis".
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:11 PM   #47
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Such a pity that "the "Greatest" lost the most important fight of his career.

But won the second and third fights against the same guy !
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:14 PM   #48
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A fraud. Not 1 genuine win since the Doug jones fight

Jones - lost dec. Judges were in on it
Cooper- Cheated
Liston- Retired on stool for money
Liston 2 - Took dive for money
Patterson - FP had a bad back, shouldnt have fought
Chuvalo - George won this but judges were on Ali's payroll
Cooper 2- Beer money fight, shoulda fought Amos Lincoln
London - Another beer money fight, shoulda fought thad spenser
Mildenberger - Another gift, shoulda fought leotis martin
Williams- Another beer money fight, for Williams
Terrell - Shouldnt have won, called ernie names, shoulda fought Brian London again anyway
Zora Folley - Older than george Burns and fought like it. Shoulda fought Wayne Bethea instead
Quarry - Notorious bleeder who was handpicked by Ali's team. Prematurely stopped. Shoulda fought Tommy Farr anyway
Bonavena- Won by TKO when ref mistook Oscars playing possum for him being out on his feet. Shoulda fought Jem Mace anyway
Frazier - Finally exposed as a bum by one of the toughest fighters to ever live who was in his ultimate prime that night in a bout still called F.O.T.C.


There's 1963 to 1971 covered. Not mentioned are his highly questionable wins pre 63 over tunney hunsaker, sonny banks, charlie powell,Alex miteff and 145yr old archie moore.

Nor are his post 71 wins/gifts mentioned like;
Norton 2 and 3 - Judges on the take
Foreman KO - ropes were too loose, too warm, and was ahead on points prior to the KO by simply lying on the ropes doing zilch
Frazier 3 - Was bein ass-whipped by Frazier. Even his glove was beating beat by Fraziers gumshield forcing it to fly outta the ring. Bought eddie futch to stop a fight that joe was winning. Shoulda fought number 81 ranked Danny mc Alinden instead.
Jimmy Young - lost every round
Earnie shavers - judges were on the take



His only genuine win was over Richard Dunn.

This is fact



Nice one,John !

Not forgetting that Ali would have lost to Jean-Pierre Coopman if the
Belgian had accepted help from the Puerto Rican witch doctor.
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:28 PM   #49
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But won the second and third fights against the same guy !
*second fight "won" on controversial decision with the announced "winner" getting away with astonishing amount of illegal tactics to aid in the disputed outcome. Even with the illegal tactics the majority of sportswriters at ringside scored the fight for Frazier. Quite interesting how there was a unusual delay before the decision was announced. Of course, it was known even before the fight that boxing would benefit by an Ali win. ($$$)

Some "victory."
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:34 PM   #50
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*second fight "won" on controversial decision with the announced "winner" getting away with astonishing amount of illegal tactics to aid in the disputed outcome. Even with the illegal tactics the majority of sportswriters at ringside scored the fight for Frazier. Quite interesting how there was a unusual delay before the decision was announced. Of course, it was known even before the fight that boxing would benefit by an Ali win. ($$$)

Some "victory."
expect "Stevie G" 2 b de last man posting . He is not a private man like most here , he probably gets paid by Ali or 1 of his attorneys / family members / publicity firm or something .
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:42 PM   #51
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expect "Stevie G" 2 b de last man posting . He is not a private man like most here , he probably gets paid by Ali or 1 of his attorneys / family members / publicity firm or something .


We've all missed your sublime wit on here,Frank !
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:51 PM   #52
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*second fight "won" on controversial decision with the announced "winner" getting away with astonishing amount of illegal tactics to aid in the disputed outcome. Even with the illegal tactics the majority of sportswriters at ringside scored the fight for Frazier. Quite interesting how there was a unusual delay before the decision was announced. Of course, it was known even before the fight that boxing would benefit by an Ali win. ($$$)

Some "victory."

Mmmmmm..............I dunno. If you're gonna make a claim like that, I think you need to back it up with some data. What is this "majority of sportswriters" thinking Frazier got the shaft? Like whom? How many compared to how many? I call bullshit on this.
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Old 11-05-2012, 01:12 PM   #53
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Mmmmmm..............I dunno. If you're gonna make a claim like that, I think you need to back it up with some data. What is this "majority of sportswriters" thinking Frazier got the shaft? Like whom? How many compared to how many? I call bullshit on this.
I don't bullshit, bud.

The late Red Smith, famed sportswriter, was one of them that scored it for Frazier. There was a poll of sportswriters after the fight and the majority of them scored it for Frazier. Of course, they were up close and could see the crap Ali was allowed to get away with that night.

Do some research.
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Old 11-05-2012, 01:18 PM   #54
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Joe Frazier vs Muhammad Ali II.

Muhammad won in rounds, but 'Smokin Joe' won on points.

Referee Tony Perez could have penalized the 'clincher and holder' 5-points.
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Old 11-05-2012, 01:35 PM   #55
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We've all missed your sublime wit on here,Frank !
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Old 11-05-2012, 02:05 PM   #57
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I don't bullshit, bud.

The late Red Smith, famed sportswriter, was one of them that scored it for Frazier. There was a poll of sportswriters after the fight and the majority of them scored it for Frazier. Of course, they were up close and could see the crap Ali was allowed to get away with that night.

Do some research.

Nope. The onus of proof is on you, not me. Post it up if ya got it. Source?
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Old 11-05-2012, 03:21 PM   #58
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Such a pity that "the "Greatest" lost the most important fight of his career.
He won both Liston fights
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Old 11-05-2012, 04:13 PM   #59
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He won both Liston fights
Which were 2 dives&fixes
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Which were 2 dives&fixes
Better it's Liston than him.
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