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Old 11-03-2012, 05:00 PM   #1
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Default Wongjongkam gets drilled in 3, and now retires

It's been barely covered by the media so I figured I'd post about it here on the classic forum. In short, Wongjongkam got stopped in 3 by some sub-500 fighter he'd twice beaten in the past.

Apparently Wongjongkam thought about it for two minutes and decided to retire, clearly the right choice after this and the shock loss to Jaro.

So now he belongs over here in classic forum. Here's to one of the greatest, most persistent, skillful, versatile, and prolific little men to lace up the gloves.

It's sad that a proud champ ended his glorious career on his back, and its also sad that he spent so much time fighting journey men without facing Darchinyan, Viloria, Donaire, Pacheco, etc, but he's still a future hall of famer.

Thoughts on his career?
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Old 11-03-2012, 05:16 PM   #2
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Daisuke Naito X4, Koki Kameda, Julio Cesar Miranda, Luis Lazarte, Gilberto Keb Baas, Malcolm Tunacao, Edgar Sosa, Suriyan Rungvisai, Tomonobu Shimizu, Hussein Hussein

All that need be said...

HOF and among the ATG flyweights.
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Old 11-03-2012, 05:46 PM   #3
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No, not among the ATG flyweights at all.

Bloody good though.
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Old 11-03-2012, 06:14 PM   #4
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Now if only Jones jr could follow these guys' ****ing leads Take a few bad KO losses, realize you're done and hang them up.
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Old 11-03-2012, 06:21 PM   #5
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No, not among the ATG flyweights at all.

Bloody good though.
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Old 11-03-2012, 06:34 PM   #6
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Default Re: Wongjongkam gets drilled in 3, and now retires

Pongsaklek Wonjongkam vs Rey Migreno 2012-11-01

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Old 11-03-2012, 07:00 PM   #7
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Flea, since your knowledge of fighters below bantam is clearly superior to mine, I'm curious, who is the most recent flyweight champion who was greater than Wonjongkam? Wongjongkam is the greatest fighter since whom, in your opinion?

As in, 'Bernard Hopkins was the greatest middleweight since Hagler', or 'Jose Napoles was the greatest welter since Sugar Ray Robinson.'

And what would you say it is that keeps him out of the Canto/Perez/Wilde/Kingpetch club? How does he stack up in terms of talent/skill? Is it a lack of depth in the resume against the greats? How would he have done against the likes of Arce/Darchinyan/Pacheco/Parra/Alvarez/Burgos, his chief rivals during that endless reign of his?

I'm looking forward to hearing your perspective on how this champ fits into history.
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Old 11-03-2012, 07:08 PM   #8
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His longevity surpasses that of Arbachakov, but I'd say Yuri was evidently the more skilled operator. He surpasses Kittikasem all in all, and I think at his best he'd be way too sharp for him and bomb him out if he doesn't get caught with something big. At his best Pongsaklek was sharp in and out. He's been past his best for a few years now, the win over Kameda being a decent swansong considering his legs have been gone and his reflexes dwindling for a while. Spread over his whole title reign his level of oppo' at fly was better than Too Sharp's.

I wouldn't put Kingpetch in that club either. I'm mocked for it but Venice Borkorsor outranks all Thai's mentioned thus far. Bringing Chionoi into the mix makes it murkier to make a clear assessment, but Wonjongkam is in the 2nd tier for me.

I think Wonjongkam and Chitalada wouldn't be too far off each other whichever way you think that argument goes.

He was absolutely deadly against Tunacao, Naito (first time) but could be badly hurt even at his very best(Canete). Pretty dependable fighter for the most part, and I commend him staying busy all the time even against limited opposition. Of course, not many unifications in the little guys nowadays. That's why the likes of Lynch, Accavallo, Harada, Villa, have to rank above him, not because the ABC belts mean anything but that Pongsaklek missed quite a few quality fighters that came through the ranks during his lineal championship reign. Morel, Too Sharp and those you mentioned. It's neither his fault nor theirs but he can't receive the credit for beating the best of his era regardless but he did beat some of them, I like Naito anyway, awkward *******. I'd put Ebihara, Oguma, Laciar above him.

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Old 11-03-2012, 07:22 PM   #9
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Pongsaklek Wonjongkam vs Rey Migreno 2012-11-01

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Old 11-04-2012, 12:13 AM   #10
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It's been barely covered by the media so I figured I'd post about it here on the classic forum. In short, Wongjongkam got stopped in 3 by some sub-500 fighter he'd twice beaten in the past.

Apparently Wongjongkam thought about it for two minutes and decided to retire, clearly the right choice after this and the shock loss to Jaro.

So now he belongs over here in classic forum. Here's to one of the greatest, most persistent, skillful, versatile, and prolific little men to lace up the gloves.

It's sad that a proud champ ended his glorious career on his back, and its also sad that he spent so much time fighting journey men without facing Darchinyan, Viloria, Donaire, Pacheco, etc, but he's still a future hall of famer.

Thoughts on his career?
I hope he lives comfortably and doesn't have to or want to come back and gets inducted quickly. He's basically what would happen if you shrunk SNV and gave him less pound-for-pound power.

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No, not among the ATG flyweights at all.

Bloody good though.
Gawdammit, Flea! SNV, P-Won, Money May. Those are the greatest of this era. Not up for debate.
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Old 11-04-2012, 12:14 AM   #11
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...Pongsaklek Wonjongkam.
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Old 11-04-2012, 12:49 AM   #12
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Koki Kameda.

Okay, there, it happened, now get lost.
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He had a cool name.


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