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Old 11-04-2012, 06:35 PM   #1
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Default Change in Ezzard Charles Style After He Killed Opponent

what was his style like before and after?
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some people say he never could take full advantage of his power afterwards

to be honest, I have a hard time believing that
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Old 11-04-2012, 08:31 PM   #3
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He supposedly would ease up when he had a man hurt.
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Default Re: Change in Ezzard Charles Style After He Killed Opponent

He also lost what remaining love he had in the sport. He still trained hard and could turn in inspired performances, but he became far more erratic and a lot of the times he seemed just to go through the motions.

Charles' psyche was more seriously affected by Baroudi's death than any other fighter in his situation. Charles was famously sensitive and introverted before the bout, and afterwards he was almost constantly melancholy and his behavior often puzzled those around him. Sad that it caused him so much turmoil.

I read about it in a lengthy feature Ray Arcel wrote for Ring Magazine from way, way back. Charles sounded like a very considerate, genuine man. One of the reasons he's a favorite of mine.
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Old 11-05-2012, 02:42 AM   #5
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Given Arcel and other contemporaries say/write about it often, it's likely true that Ezzard lost 'something' in the ring around the Baroudi fight.

But here's an alternaive hypothesis, which is whether Ezzard Charles became more of a 'relative' fighter, in that like others have been known to do..he would fight at or perhaps just a bit beyond his opponents level/abilities. After all, he did continue to win agaisnt very good opposition, which is harldy the hallmark of a fighter sans killer instinct,
it's just that (so the story goes- i've not done the statistics) his knockout ratio dropped dramatically while maintaining this comparable level of opponents.

Without trying to undermine the Arcel et al belief, similar KO drops can also be attributed to the onset of damaged hands, increase in the quality/skill of opponents or an increease in the weight of opponents interacting with a fighters inability to hurt opponents. None of these aforestated reasons are said to have happended to Charles, but the underlying point is 'who really knows'?

Ezzard Charles sure didn't look like a man without killer instict in either of his fights with Rocky Marciano, and Rocky's relentless style could strip a man down to his soul in the ring- even Walcott decided he wasn't game to go through that' again in their rematch.

But Ezzard gave it his all in both bouts....making me believe that somewhere along his career he didn't become 'sensitive' in the ring (I believe he was a sensitive man outside such as that matters) but that rather Charles had learnt to conserve his energy and coast if he could for a decision (where earlier he may have pushed for a stoppage). If the bout meant he had to fight hard (such as a fighter with Ez's reach, height etc
simply has to do against Marciano) he would and could that also.

Mnay will disagree with this theory, why?
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Old 11-05-2012, 03:21 AM   #6
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In only a few bouts did he go all out. His ko of Archie Moore came when Archie had him hurt He surprised everyone by going all out and throwing hard against Maricano, later on did same with Rex Layne. or most part he lost killer instinct, and ddi not go for ko's after that death in ring.
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Given Arcel and other contemporaries say/write about it often, it's likely true that Ezzard lost 'something' in the ring around the Baroudi fight.

But here's an alternaive hypothesis, which is whether Ezzard Charles became more of a 'relative' fighter, in that like others have been known to do..he would fight at or perhaps just a bit beyond his opponents level/abilities. After all, he did continue to win agaisnt very good opposition, which is harldy the hallmark of a fighter sans killer instinct,
it's just that (so the story goes- i've not done the statistics) his knockout ratio dropped dramatically while maintaining this comparable level of opponents.

Without trying to undermine the Arcel et al belief, similar KO drops can also be attributed to the onset of damaged hands, increase in the quality/skill of opponents or an increease in the weight of opponents interacting with a fighters inability to hurt opponents. None of these aforestated reasons are said to have happended to Charles, but the underlying point is 'who really knows'?

Ezzard Charles sure didn't look like a man without killer instict in either of his fights with Rocky Marciano, and Rocky's relentless style could strip a man down to his soul in the ring- even Walcott decided he wasn't game to go through that' again in their rematch.

But Ezzard gave it his all in both bouts....making me believe that somewhere along his career he didn't become 'sensitive' in the ring (I believe he was a sensitive man outside such as that matters) but that rather Charles had learnt to conserve his energy and coast if he could for a decision (where earlier he may have pushed for a stoppage). If the bout meant he had to fight hard (such as a fighter with Ez's reach, height etc
simply has to do against Marciano) he would and could that also.

Mnay will disagree with this theory, why?
Somewhat similar to Emile Griffith.
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