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Old 11-07-2012, 12:34 PM   #1
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Default Juan Manuel Marquez vs Esteban DeJesus

135 lbs. Who would be favoured/who do you pick?

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DeJesus w15 JMM
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:28 PM   #3
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I think Dejesus would eventually KO him more often than not.

Marquez at this weight doesn't have the reflexes to slip that Dejesus left hook of doom that often.Dejesus will just work around his slower, less athletic foe and pick him apart with his Napoles smooth boxing ability.

Marquez still has the class to offer up some competitive rounds and exchanges, but best vs best at 135 Dejesus would be far too sharp.A competitive Decision for Dejesus is what i envisage in a p4p fight....straight up it would be a knockout or eventual beating.
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:15 PM   #4
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Marquez has the skills to make it interesting but he'd lose eventually.

Marquez vs someone like Mando Ramos would have been a better fight for Marquez at lightweight.
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:17 PM   #5
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I think it's a damned close fight. Marquez was a pretty sizeable lightweight despite starting so low, but Dejesus was very crafty and had sneaky power.

Then again, you can say the exact same for Marquez.....having a hard time committing. And I don't see Dejesus stopping Marquez at all tbh...hm.
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:20 PM   #6
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The kinda' thread that brings out the 'everybody overrates the old timers' crowd. Take cover.

What a fight it'd be though.
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:21 PM   #7
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Marquez has the skills to make it interesting but he'd lose eventually.

Marquez vs someone like Mando Ramos would have been a better fight for Marquez at lightweight.
Ramos would love 24 hour weigh in's.
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:22 PM   #8
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Marquez still has the class to offer up some competitive rounds and exchanges, but best vs best at 135 Dejesus would be far too sharp.A competitive Decision for Dejesus is what i envisage in a p4p fight....straight up it would be a knockout or eventual beating.
C'mon...
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:25 PM   #9
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Marquez was the same size as DeJesus. Guy's been entering the ring at 140lbs+ since his days at Jr. Lightweight. No reason not to match them up at their respective bests.

With that, DeJesus UD. Similar level fighters, but the styles favor Esteban heavily for me.
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:33 PM   #10
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Yeah, Marquez is not really at a size disadvantage but if you take the 126 version with his legs I don't think he wins a decision, and if you out the lightweight champion version in, forced to bang it out but without his legs under him, meaning he takes more and gets buzzed by Juan Diaz but could potentially catch De Jesus down the stretch with a sweet counter and finish him.

So for me, either way he wouldn't win. Regardless of him not being outsized against De Jesus.

I wouldn't consider it mind blowing if Marquez did win though. Certainly a brilliant operator in his own right.

I don't see any comparison between Gomez and Marquez to make a Marquez might beat prime DeJesus with similar tactics'. But if I wanted to make that argument I might dig my heels in with that, because it's the best I could do with a feasible assessment in JMM's favour. And I see no stylistic comparison with DeJesus and any of Marquez's best conquests.
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:42 PM   #11
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Ramos would love 24 hour weigh in's.
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And I don't see Dejesus stopping Marquez at all tbh...hm.
Me neither.

Although I can envision Dejesus dropping Marquez with that left hook.
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:55 PM   #12
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I see Dejesus dropped him, I can also see Marquez keeping Dejesus honest with his favourite right hand over the top of Dejesus' jab whenever he took the lead. What a great fight to think about though.
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:56 PM   #13
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I'm just waiting for MAG to get in here and to call Marquez overrated and that he couldn't even beat Chris John
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Old 11-07-2012, 03:38 PM   #14
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C'mon...

I'm not a big fan of Marquez above 130.imo he ceased to be an excellent fighter once he moved beyond those weights.

Dejesus had a few things lacking when put up against the kind of fighters who might populate the very upper echelons of 135(or a couple at 130 maybe), namely real top-end stamina and physicality, but he was a masterful boxer-puncher with a skillset i think was better than even the Marquez i consider an excellent fighter.Though that would be a very good fight p4p.

No surprise i think he'd win comfortably against the leaden legged older fighter that took so many punches against mummified Casamayor, Diaz etc

If he ships that amount of shots he's going to be in bad trouble against Esteban.It's not as if he's a cautious mobile fighter like Lampkin or a mentally weak often unwilling to engage type like Guts Suzuki.Marquez will be in there tying his best to win and there to be caught in exchanges.

I agree that he wouldn't be at a size disadvantage though.Dejesus was a small lightweight, who may well have fought for a few years at feather and moved up from there had he been around more recently.
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Old 11-07-2012, 03:48 PM   #15
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De Jesus would definitely start much lower today. And probably go higher and be consistently ranked amongst the 'P4P' and lauded as a 'great' after he retired with millions of fan boys.
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