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Old 11-07-2012, 02:07 PM   #16
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The fully sarcastic nature of the post obviously lost on you.

Funny enough, if he'd of fought and dethroned Williams (and it actually could've happened - the fight anyway; was discussed) then he'd really be in business on that whole top five bit.
You say that as if Pep NEVER fought high level Lightweights.

And Benny Leonard loses a bid in the top-5, as well, because he never fought Mickey Walker?
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:10 PM   #17
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So Benny Leonard loses a bid in the top-5, as well, because he never fought Mickey Walker?
Well, Greb fought Tunney....Armstrong fought Ross...Robinson fought Maxim, etc.


That's how the Top 5'ers rolled
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:17 PM   #18
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You say that as if Pep NEVER fought high level Lightweights.

And Benny Leonard loses a bid in the top-5, as well, because he never fought Mickey Walker?
No, that's how you interpreted it. I <3 divisional dominance.
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:19 PM   #19
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I have him in the group between 7-12. I tend to rate him at the bottom end of it, but yeah, 7's the highest I could see for him.
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:21 PM   #20
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No, that's how you interpreted it. I <3 divisional dominance.
Had Pep beat Angott in '43, would things be vastly different for you?
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:23 PM   #21
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available footage/the saddler fight's fame i guess. leonard lacked the big opponent(historically)




top 5 all time is such a small number and great weight jumpers like langford and armstrong deservedly fill non srr/greb places on many lists

pep seems to be thought of as a career 126, and it was natural weight, but he fought top lw's in non title fights

for someone who broke their back halfway through their career top 50 would be an incredible achievment, to be top 10 is unbelievable

i cannot understand not being impressed by him on film, even shot he is beautiful to watch
Don't forget Ezzard Charles, who beat Burley x2 at MW (albeit weight adv), Archie Moore x3 at LHW and both Louis/Walcott at HW. That's only what's on top.
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:33 PM   #22
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that's my point really, its not knocking pep to leave him out of a top 5 p4p, because of his injuries and lack of facing much bigger men regularly.
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:36 PM   #23
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Well, Greb fought Tunney....Armstrong fought Ross...Robinson fought Maxim, etc.


That's how the Top 5'ers rolled
They don't really compare to Tunney and Ross but Pep fought and beat ranked Lightweights Allie Stolz (on numerous occasions) and Willie Joyce.
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They don't really compare to Tunney and Ross but Pep fought and beat ranked Lightweights Allie Stolz (on numerous occasions) and Willie Joyce.
You do realize we're playing about right?
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Why not T'?
Two movements that i see that is done over and over again. Backpedal and duck. That is his main defense and his offense is ordinary and unimaginative.
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Two movements that i see that is done over and over again. Backpedal and duck. That is his main defense and his offense is ordinary and unimaginative.
defence - not entirely false but incredibly harsh
offence - how can that jab be called ordinary or unimaginative? fast, fluid and textbook imo
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defence - not entirely false but incredibly harsh
offence - how can that jab be called ordinary or unimaginative? fast, fluid and textbook imo
He does got a good jab, i wouldn't say much else after that though. His defense is too one dimenisional imo. Consist of ducking while retreating and jab on his way out. It just seem that his defense is way overated and that he pretty much just defends in retreat.

Whitaker does a lot of ducks and abuse the crap out of it but Whitaker got better upperbody movement and counters.
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Well, Greb fought Tunney....Armstrong fought Ross...Robinson fought Maxim, etc.


That's how the Top 5'ers rolled
Greb fought Tunney, but did not win the series.

Robinson fought Joey Maxim, but was knocked out!

How is that how top 5ers roll.

Willie Pep has as good a shot as any at the top 5 position.
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Old 11-07-2012, 06:53 PM   #29
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Footage of Pep we have is really shit quality and he still looks like a boss in it
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Old 11-07-2012, 07:46 PM   #30
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Greb fought Tunney, but did not win the series.

Robinson fought Joey Maxim, but was knocked out!

How is that how top 5ers roll.

Willie Pep has as good a shot as any at the top 5 position.
I concur -- Pep fighting Angott (but not winning) fits that flawed logic.
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